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post #1541 of 2789 (permalink) Old 08-20-2012, 04:50 PM
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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

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In what kind of a world is Ibushi vs. Omega praised and Lesnar vs. Triple H hated? I feel like Joe Bauers from Idiocracy every time I check this thread. Intelligence, to hell with it, gimme more spotz!
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Triple H vs. Lesnar was depressing. Totally not the match that should of happened.
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HHH V Lesnar *

Awful, heatless, boring. Just bad.
Well, Ibushi/Omega was none of those things.

Was it dreadfully shitty at times? Sure, but it had a lot of goodness, too. Kenny's control segments were good and I loved his arm work at the beginning of the match (too bad it had no ends to the means, though).

Ibushi's segments may have been a no-selling spotfest for a good percentage of the time but, honestly, I'd rather take some excitement over a dreary, ill-worked and lacklustre performance any day. I mean, how can I not mark out for a moonsault off the balcony, Ibushi faceplanting onto the top turnbuckle thanks to a nasty One-Winged Angel, a superb rana from the top rope to the hard floor outside the ring and Croyt's Wrath from on-top of the turnbuckle (to name but a few that come to mind)?

Like I said, I've yet to watch HHH/Lesnar so I'm merely going by what people are saying at this point but if I'm to trust them (and I don't see why not, seeing it seems to be general consensus across the internet) I see even less from where your comment is coming from.

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post #1542 of 2789 (permalink) Old 08-20-2012, 06:21 PM
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Well, I thought Lesnar vs HHH was actually really good. It dragged in parts, but I liked the story and the selling especially by Lesnar a lot. Lesnar brings this aura of reality to the ring with him, It was a very smartly wrestled match imo, even if it was a little slow in the middle. I loved the idea that HHH thought he had the win in the bag even before the match started, but then just got completely fucked up for the most part. I liked Lesnar's arm work, it made sense because even though he's a brawler he knew HHH's arm was injured so went straight for it. HHH going after the stomach was a good touch considering Lesnar's serious problems in the past, and he sold it like death. The no selling of the pedigree was silly but I loved the ending with Trips tapping. I thought Lesnar applied the Kimura too much throughout the match though and it kinda' damaged the moves credibility until the ending. Lesnar's bumps to the outside from the clotheslines were pretty crazy, this guy seems to have no care in the world for his own well being and it only adds to this atmosphere and aura he brings to the ring. He's so fucking good in his current role. Overall I really enjoyed it, although I think I can understand why people didn't like it that much and I'm probably going to be in the minority, but I'd have this around ****.
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I didn't mind the Kimura being locked on, since they've made it clear it only really becomes 'dangerous' when he completely twists the arm like he did to HBK and for the finish. What seemed more annoying was Lesnar having the hold locked in at the end and waiting for what seemed like an eternity before twisting the arm and forcing the submission.

Match wasn't really good at all but like most HHH 'epics' there are usually elements of psychology and storytelling that people get gripped by and consequently see past issues that bother others from considering the match 'great'. Lesnar's selling was terrific and everything they did 'made sense', but the pace and atmosphere just felt painfully tame compared to the Cena match (because there was no way HHH would ever have let Lesnar unleash that sort of beating) which was bothersome when they went out of their way to promote the match in such a way that you expected this shockingly violent brawl.
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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

I thought Triple H vs. Lesnar was fantastic. Biggest complaint would be that it was kind of slow but it was a smartly wrestled match where everything they did made sense. I don't need to see someone actually get the shit kicked out of them for me to enjoy a match. I thought Lesnar hurting his stomach was brilliant as the underdog Triple H finally found a chink in Lesnar's armor and I really thought he was going to win once Lesnar started selling like he was about to die.

Lesnar's arm work made perfect sense and some of the moves he did to Triple H looked brutal. Lesnar already broke Triple H's arm and he just did the same thing to Shawn right before the PPV. It would have been stupid if he went out there with some different type of offensive plan.
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I agree with a lot of what everybody's saying, re: Triple H vs. Brock, but the match didn't do much for me, personally. The selling and psychology was excellent, that much I'll agree with, but the atmosphere and the lack of crowd involvement killed the big fight feel. At Extreme Rules, the crowd was silent, stunned by what they had witnessed. Pretty hard to tame a Chicago crowd like that. But LA didn't go quiet because they were shocked, they did it because they were bored. Or so it seemed, and so it felt.

I'm glad Brock won, as I still believe he should have at ER, but the match itself was too plodding and focused for my liking. Brock focused way too much on the kimura and the arm, and it made the whole thing feel very one-note and bland. I mean, he did the same thing with Cena, except he mixed it up a lot more and they used the stipulation a lot better. I don't understand the need to make this match a no-DQ affair since the stipulation was never quite put into place, and when it was the referee practically ignored it. Brock low-blowing Trips almost forced the ref to disqualify him, yet the announcers stated that the match would be no-DQ and no count out? I don't.. get it.
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I agree with a lot of what everybody's saying, re: Triple H vs. Brock, but the match didn't do much for me, personally. The selling and psychology was excellent, that much I'll agree with, but the atmosphere and the lack of crowd involvement killed the big fight feel. At Extreme Rules, the crowd was silent, stunned by what they had witnessed. Pretty hard to tame a Chicago crowd like that. But LA didn't go quiet because they were shocked, they did it because they were bored. Or so it seemed, and so it felt.

I'm glad Brock won, as I still believe he should have at ER, but the match itself was too plodding and focused for my liking. Brock focused way too much on the kimura and the arm, and it made the whole thing feel very one-note and bland. I mean, he did the same thing with Cena, except he mixed it up a lot more and they used the stipulation a lot better. I don't understand the need to make this match a no-DQ affair since the stipulation was never quite put into place, and when it was the referee practically ignored it. Brock low-blowing Trips almost forced the ref to disqualify him, yet the announcers stated that the match would be no-DQ and no count out? I don't.. get it.
It was a normal match, which during the time I thought was stupid (ie 1 fall, DQs, count outs), but HHH asked before to "let them fight". He basically told the ref personally to not DQ or count someone out because he wanted to beat the chit out of Lesnar (only thing that bothers me is that they should have made the match a no DQ if that's what he wanted).

I originally hated that sub plot in the match, but considering it bit HHH really hard in the ass, I thought it gave a feel of great irony. It's so easy to hate HHH :-P.
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Re: The 2012 MOTYC thread

I think this is pretty much everything to which I've given ★★★★ or higher this year so far. I'll put the caveat here that my viewing, as always, is pretty much limited to what the kind souls on this message board and YouTube/Dailymotion have seen fit to upload as individual matches rather than full shows. That wasn't as much as usual anyway after the Megaupload shutdown, and looks to be even less than that with the stuff from Japan more or less cut off. Still, I think I've gotten a respectable amount in so far:


WWE

• John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar (Extreme Rules) — ★★★★

• C.M. Punk vs. Daniel Bryan (Over the Limit) — ★★★★

• Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan (Extreme Rules) — ★★★★

• Sheamus vs. Dolph Ziggler (No Way Out) — ★★★★

• Tyson Kidd vs. Michael McGillicutty (aired 6/20) — ★★★★


New Japan

• Kazuchika Okada vs. Tetsuya Naitō (3/4) — ★★★★

• Prince Devitt vs. Low Ki (5/3) — ★★★★

• Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada (2/12) — ★★★★

• Hirooki Goto vs. Tomohiro Ishii (5/20) — ★★★★

• Prince Devitt vs. PAC (6/6) — ★★★★

• Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Karl Anderson (4/5) — ★★★★

• Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Togi Makabe (7/1) — ★★★★

• Bad Intentions vs. TenKoji (1/4) — ★★★★

• Kazuchika Okada vs. Hirooki Goto (5/3) — ★★★★

• Prince Devitt vs. KUSHIDA (5/27) — ★★★★

• Apollo 55 vs. Richards & Romero (2/12) — ★★★★

• Low Ki vs. Ryusuke Taguchi (6/10) — ★★★★

• Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Karl Anderson (5/3) — ★★★★


RoH

• Davey Richards vs. Michael Elgin (Showdown in the Sun, Night 2) — ★★★★

• Kevin Steen vs. El Generico (Showdown in the Sun, Night 1) — ★★★★

• Davey Richards vs. Jay Lethal (The Homecoming) — ★★★★

• The Briscoes vs. Richards & O'Reilly (Rise & Prove) — ★★★★


TNA

• Daniels & Kazarian vs. Styles & Angle (Slammiversary) — ★★★★

• Austin Aries vs. Bully Ray (Sacrifice) — ★★★★

• Bobby Roode vs. A.J. Styles (aired 5/24) — ★★★★

• Austin Aries vs. Samoa Joe (Slammiversary) — ★★★★

• Austin Aries vs. Alex Shelley (Against All Odds) — ★★★★

• Joe & Magnus vs. Daniels & Kazarian (Sacrifice) — ★★★★


NOAH/Diamond Ring

• Suzuki & Aoki vs. Marufuji & Ishimori (6/13) — ★★★★

• Katsuhiko Nakajima vs. Shingo Takagi (2/11) — ★★★★

• Katsuhiko Nakajima vs. Atsushi Aoki (1/28) — ★★★★

• Go Shiozaki vs. Takeshi Morishima (1/22) — ★★★★

• Morishima & Nakajima vs. Ohtani & D. Hashimoto (4/29) — ★★★★

• Suzuki & Aoki vs. Kotoge & Harada (1/22) — ★★★★

• Fujita "Jr" Hayato vs. Kento Miyahara (2/11) — ★★★★


All Japan

• Nagata & Inoue vs. Kono & Minoru (2/3) — ★★★★

• Jun Akiyama vs. Takao Ōmori (2/3) — ★★★★

• Kenny Omega vs. Hiroshi Yamato (1/3) — ★★★★

• Suwama vs. Daisuke Sekimoto (1/2) — ★★★★

• Kenny Omega vs. Shuji Kondo (3/20) — ★★★★

• Suwama vs. Taiyō Kea (5/7) — ★★★★

• Suwama vs. Yuji Nagata (5/5) — ★★★★


Dragon Gate

• Tozawa & BxB Hulk vs. Yokosuka & KAGETORA (3/4) — ★★★★


CHIKARA

• El Generico vs. Sara Del Rey (Hot Off the Griddle) — ★★★★

• Eddie Kingston vs. Jigsaw (Aniversario: The Ogg and I) — ★★★★


Big Japan

• Daisuke Sekimoto vs. Yoshihito Sasaki (3/26) — ★★★★

• Yoshihito Sasaki vs. Sami Callihan (3/26) — ★★★★

• Sekimoto & Walter vs. Y. Sasaki & Okabayashi (4/28) — ★★★★

• Sekimoto & Okabayashi vs. Akebono & Hama (1/3) — ★★★★


Michinoku Pro

• Ken-ou vs. Fujita "Jr" Hayato (6/3) — ★★★★


AAW

• Davey Richards vs. Sami Callihan (6/22) — ★★★★

• Davey Richards vs. Fit Finlay (7/21) — ★★★★


DDT

• Yuji Hino vs. Kota Ibushi (6/24) — ★★★★


SMASH

• Fit Finlay vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (2/19) — ★★★★

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Where's Aries/Roode in your list?

The match, where Tanahashi regains his title from Okada at Dominion was phenomenal. Almost at the Okada/Naito IWGP defense level.
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Where's Aries/Roode in your list?
Didn't give either one four stars or more.

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The match, where Tanahashi regains his title from Okada at Dominion was phenomenal. Almost at the Okada/Naito IWGP defense level.
Where were you able to see more than the last few minutes?
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