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Old 07-20-2012, 04:41 PM   #1411 (permalink)
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Also I think you meant Cactus.
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:52 PM   #1412 (permalink)
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My definition of "typical PWG match" would be a spotfest that appeals to fans under the age of 20.
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:11 PM   #1413 (permalink)
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Also I think you meant Cactus.
Nah. He didn't mean me. I'm a fan of PWG.

To reply to Seabs, outside of the odd matches like Steen/Cage and Generico/Ricochet, all the matches from PWG's recent show (and most PWG shows) are very similar. 80% of PWG's matches are fun spotfests with comedic undertones (SSB vs The Young Bucks included, I didn't see the hype with this match). 'PWG style' is basically 'ROH style' (and most US Indies for that matter) taken less seriously, hence it is much easier to sit through. I hate to be the black sheep here, but I can't see PWG matches holding up well in say 20 years, excluding matches like the Steen/Generico ladder match and Generico/Ricochet.
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:17 PM   #1414 (permalink)
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On the subject of Davey Richards and doing the terrible american puro MMA gimmick, he either A.Want to be Japanese or B.Kenny Omega/Prince Devitt
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:23 PM   #1415 (permalink)
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PWG is bland to me. I need more matches with soul to really enjoy them.

I am open to trying out some new PWG matches this year if I can find it. But I remember the last time I gave PWG a go in 2010, I didn't think it was much different from ROH (in terms of pimped matches, not full cards).
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You'll find a hell of a lot more soul in some PWG matches than any ROH matches these days.
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:49 PM   #1417 (permalink)
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Haven't really watched ROH for quite a few months but, last I heard, the champion was a hardcore/gimmick/comedy wrestler. The Pancrase-influenced main-event style that brought ROH to the dance has, largely, been lost - along with the wrestling/writing talents that understood that sub-genre...and, seemingly, the fans that were educated to what the intentions of the company's output were.

As for Davey's Jiu-Jitsu persona, it's exactly the kind of socially-reflective booking that tends to get lost on fans that are stuck in the wrestling bubble.

In my estimation, Davey has been one of the only valuable players in recent wrestling history. That shows in his proven ability to give excellent financial returns on any given company's investment in him, and in the level of critical acclaim that he's achieved. Those are the kind of tangible, factual things, that can be converted into money/fan engagement/storytelling/branding deliciousness...in the real world.

I don't see any similar attributes in the "typical PWG match". PWG, as a whole, is largely devoid of the kind of deep-rooted, consistent mythology, or (relative) social relevance, that makes any good fiction work.

I'd agree that ROH has lost a large amount of it's depth and it's brand identity, and has fallen into the trap of only appealing to, what Billy Corgan recently referred to as, 'the boys in black t-shirts'. Personally, I preferred ROH when the booker was smarter than me (Gabe).

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With a couple of exceptions, I've never really enjoyed a PWG show because the promotion just doesn't have any substantial culture around it. This shows in "typical PWG matches" that don't increase the company's drawing power, don't develop marketable personas/angles for wrestlers and, artistically, don't influence anything or anyone. The fact that teenagers can parody the traditional ROH "kickpads" style, on message boards, is proof enough that ROH has/had a wider meaning.

By the way, if I remember rightly, 2012's most needle-moving match to date was Davey vs. Elgin in a throwback "lolstiffmma" match. Was it not?
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PWG has amazing wrestling in a wrestling company. Hot damn. (Taken from a member on a diff forum) Despite the fact that there's been a lot of title changes on the anniversary shows, PWG has never seen a title change on a Threemendous. So theres a story. PWG has Bucks vs pretty much every member of the roster. Joey vs Candice when she comes by. Future Shock building themselves up as a top team.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:31 PM   #1419 (permalink)
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Bane proved himself as the spunky newcomer, but that work rate by Batman. The man knows his psychology and how to sell.
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Seph you've seen it? Don't want to go into the thread because of spoilers. How was it?

Sorry, back on topic...

I just watched Ibushi vs Hino from DDT 24/6 and thought it was really good but not a MOTYC personally. I guess I don't really watch DDT much and didn't really care that much for the guys in it and so wasn't fully invested, but the story they told was really great. Had a few botches but they didn't take anything away from the story or the overall action. First time seeing Hino and he seemed really good. Ibushi is just a great underdog. Probably around the **** mark. Probably didn't help that I'm really fucking tired right now.
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