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Old 07-10-2012, 09:57 PM   #1321 (permalink)
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Old 07-11-2012, 04:52 AM   #1322 (permalink)
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It's really entertaining match. Daniels is amazing with a great heel performance in it which really elevates it above a lot of their more recent singles matches. Cool spots too, simple but effective.

I think me and Capone are the only ones to have rated Aries/Roode as high as we did. I loved everything about it. Who knows, on a re-watch I could lower my rating but for now it's my second favorite match this year.
Yeah, Aries/Roode was bloody great, MOTYC easily. ****1/4

It was an old school strategic/psychological war, I dug the hell out of it.
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I dug a lot of Roode/Aries, Capone was bang on about the love for Aries countering Roode's offence on the second attempt, and finding ways to hit his signature offence on the second attempt. I particularly dug the spot where Roode got pushed back by the ref which led to the corner dropkick, basically played off of Roode's arrogance and attitude undoing a lot of his good work in scouting Aries' offence.

Still Roode's control segment just dragged and felt like a whole lot of nothing to me, I realise that by being a fan generally of the WWE style I shouldn't be one to complain about standard punches/kicks during a workover, but Roode just doesn't have that presence to me when watching him work someone over and as a result I was just sitting there waiting for the spot where Aries would make a comeback and enter the finishing run (which was indeed very well booked to continually tease the fans regarding a screwjob and Aries potentially winning). Aries blowing off the ribwork also irked me, though not as much as it could have done, hitting the dive for example didn't bother me since it felt like a big moment in the match, but the set up of him effortlessly landing on the apron from the attempted back body drop, then flying up and over the ropes and landing perfectly and sprinting into the dive felt like something he could have done avoided since it did render the ribwork obsolete given how effortlessly he was moving. I understand why he did it, and it didn't annoy me as much as other matches where body part work has been ignored, but that set up spot did feel quite unexpected from Aries who's usually a smarter worker when it comes to adding substance and story to his matches.

Crowd being alive did help however, I wouldn't call it a MOTYC but I can certainly appreciate why fans of Roode or bigger fans of Aries would look bast the plodding middle section and call it a MOTYC, its certainly a better TNA match than I generally expect from the company with more attention to substance and build instead of cool looking offence and transitions.


Daniels/Styles was far better than I expected, especially after they ditched the hold for hold wrestling in the beginning and just set about brawling (which was something I honestly figured they wouldn't bother with). Styles did have a few brief moments where I would have wanted him to headbutt/punch Daniels rather than attempt his enziguri's and pele's but on the whole I bought the hate in the match and it wasn't littered with high impactful spots and regular counts reaching 8/9. I mean unless I've forgotten I barely recall the referee issuing a count to one of them before they got onto the stage, which is something I wish was seen more in LMS matches these days, both men beating the crap out of each other rather than regular spots leading to the referee counting far better gets across the hatred in the match. I did kind of dislike Daniels moving after the 5 count from the big spot at the end, that felt like the sort of finish that should have seen him barely move, or at the very least wait till 8/9. Seeing him up moving about barely 5 seconds after impact did kind of make the spot seem a bit less brutal, but given how well they set it up as the big spot of the match, rather than merely one of 7/8 'awesome' spots it felt like a match ender and for that I give them credit considering who's involved.

I wouldn't put either match ahead of Cena/Lesnar, Bryan/Sheamus, Bryan/Punk or a few other matches but its the first time in ages I'm not baffled as to why the praise is strong for two TNA matches.
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Yeah the fact that there was hardly any 10 counts attempted in the match apart from the end felt really fresh. Segunda have you been watching TNA recently? It's been rather good I have to say. There's still problems with the product (as there is with most) and they could cut down their roster because they have too many guys who are mid carders with piss all to do and too many guys they want in the main event scene, but the turn around they've made since about 4 months ago has been impressive. Storlyines are good and looks like everything has a direction, also most of the matches on tv happen for a reason which is good and the belts are being put over as big deals. They are pushing the right guys too. The AJ/Daniels storyline was shit, but it still seemed like it had a direction unlike the AJ/Bryan/Punk love triangle in WWE. Hopefully that's over now anyway so AJ/Daniels can be involved in something better than that shit.

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Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Togi Makabe IWGP Title
A great start to Tana's reign (again). Tana going after the legs, as usual, but hearing that the crowd was strongly on Makabe's side he went heel with it and that was great. crowd was majorly on his case on occasions. I liked Makabe's first comeback a lot, the transition was well done from the powersalm, and it allowed the comeback without Makabe having to use his leg. Tana didn't work the leg that much and he became too involved in taunting the crowd so Makabe shook it off and started his work over after that which was all fine and dandy for me. He worked Tana's neck nicely but then Tana made his comeback and didn't really sell anything. Tana went back after the legs again with more intent this time before they went in to the finishing stretch and then it was Makabe's turn to no sell . Saying that, the finishing stretch was fucking awesome, the crowd was really in to it and it felt really bloody epic in parts, especially when Makabe kept blocking the dragon/german suplex attempts and the crowd was going nuts. Makabe did aim everything at the neck which was cool, but Tana like usual forgot about the leg work and went to his usual spots and moves. Overall I really liked this match, Makabe not really selling his legs and Tana forgetting the leg work let it down, but it had a great finishing stretch if you're able to get past the aforementioned stuff. ****
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Roode/Aries had the perfect combination of people wanting DESPERATELY for Aries to win, but at the same time not expecting him to, so there was genuine passion and excitement with every nearfall towards the end. When Aries kicked out of all the vintage Roode shenanigans and then hoisted him up for that brainbuster , just awesome. There is something to be said for sticking to long term plans with Roode/Storm but you have to credit TNA for striking when the iron is hot , espcially after Aries has been built so well in the previous year which is a rare thing in 2012.
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Yeah the fact that there was hardly any 10 counts attempted in the match apart from the end felt really fresh. Segunda have you been watching TNA recently? It's been rather good I have to say. There's still problems with the product (as there is with most) and they could cut down their roster because they have too many guys who are mid carders with piss all to do and too many guys they want in the main event scene, but the turn around they've made since about 4 months ago has been impressive. Storlyines are good and looks like everything has a direction, also most of the matches on tv happen for a reason which is good and the belts are being put over as big deals. They are pushing the right guys too. The AJ/Daniels storyline was shit, but it still seemed like it had a direction unlike the AJ/Bryan/Punk love triangle in WWE. Hopefully that's over now anyway so AJ/Daniels can be involved in something better than that shit.
Yep, nothing more annoying than a supposed grudge feud where both men 'hate' one another and the majority of the match features overly choreographed/telegraphed spots and regular counts reaching 8/9 instead of a wild brawl occasionally broken up by the referee counting. That's partly why I always loved the HHH/Jericho LMS, they just go all out against each other and there's quite a few moments where the referee only begins to count when both men are lying on the ground feeling the effects of the match. Communicates a much stronger sense of hatred.

Nope, I keep a track of spoilers/general overcaps of the shows in case there's a match/angle/promo worth keeping track of, but there's far too few guys in the company I have any vested interest in (Bully Ray, Aries (and not even a 'huge' fan of him), Doug Williams, Storm can be ok but I'm not really a fan of him as a face) and the wrestling style will never really win me over unless they alter it. Too many matches where there's little to no substance behind the impressive moves and athletic spots, in some ways that does allow for matches like Aries/Bully, Bully/Styles and Roode/Aries to shine compared to the rest but I doubt I'll ever be a regular watcher aside from checking out the best pimped matches.

Their video package presentations however are superb, I watched the before the bell hype video for Storm/Roode at Lockdown and Aries/Roode and both were superb in creating a pure sports build for the match. From what I've seen the shows post Russo look more structured and coherent, and any comedy (Eric Young etc) seems to be used in the right doses to balance out the more serious angles, but aside from Joe Park/Bully Ray and Aries' booking the past couple of months there's very few guys in the company I'm interested in watching week in week out.

That being said they've had Raw beat the past few weeks, and this is coming from someone who's enjoyed the AJ saga (admittedly more around NWO time rather than the past 2 Raws with her antics getting a bit ridiculous).

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I will agree about Roode not being that superb in his control portions as his offense is pretty cut and dry basics, but at the same time I always wonder if Roode is just not quite in a zone yet as a singles guy because it's only been like a year where he has been a full time singles guy. You would think in say a year or so he can only get better.
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Segunda welcome back to the forum.We missed your analysis of matches.Could you please let us know your thoughts on Lesnar vs Cena
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Pretty much one of the most unique matches I've seen in some time, Cena at his absolute best as the underdog bumping for everything Lesnar dished out and utilising his facial expressions to signify the beating, the desperation, the pain and the resilience in his actions. Lesnar just unleashed brutally stiff offence from the forearms, to the kimura, to the knee to the ribs which sounded ridiculously painful and he took a couple of frightening bumps for a guy getting payed $5m for a select number of dates. The botch where he failed to clear the ropes and nearly broke his neck could have really taken away from the match in normal circumstances, but they managed to create this never before seen aura of chaos and legitimate violence for a WWE match that honestly Lesnar hobbling and smiling just made me forget the fall and focus on the next part of the match. They shifted from the MMA esque beginning into pro wrestling wonderfully, and the Backlund esque power spot with Cena deadlifting Lesnar out of the Kimura was just a superb spot to get the crowd behind him and serve as the transition, and Lesnar's facial expression of disbelief and pain perfectly captured the drama the spot was meant to signify.

Chicago of all crowds being incredibly pro Cena in his comeback was a sight to behold, and rather than this be a super Cena comeback like people love to critique him on, this was one of his most hard earned comebacks which perfectly played off of Lesnar's domination and allowed Cena to still look like The Ace of the company, whilst in no way making Lesnar look like a chump. The 17 minute beating he unleashed on Cena was something most fans in that arena had never seen in their lives, and the more I watch the match the more I like the finish with Cena managing to pull a win out of his arse through sheer desperation and good timing, and Lesnar being momentarily knocked out of his comfort zone and then eating the pin. Its a shame they then rushed Cena into a feud with Johnny Ace where he reverted back to his stale character, because that one night in Chicago is the John Cena that everyone could get behind as a wrestler, and his post match promo which was incredible live with his limp arm and bloodied head was made obsolete when he was on Raw the next night and back to his pre Rock/Lesnar character.

But aye, the selling and facial expressions from both men were sublime, there was always something going in the match, Lesnar put in arguably one of his greatest heel performances, the crowd was alive with them every step of the way and its without doubt Cena's finest match in his best match type: hopelessly outmatched babyface v monster heel. It just had everything that makes pro wrestling separate from other sports and what makes it as popular as it can be, Bryan/Sheamus and Bryan/Punk were better wrestled in the purest sense, but nothing will come close to replicating the aura and nature of Lesnar/Cena this year (and if something does we'll be damn lucky IMO) and for that reason, its comfortably my MOTY. Although I concede part of the love affair with the match could be seeing it live and not expecting that level of violence and drama from a 2012 WWE match, whether it can stand the test of time remains to be seen but I've no arguments with calling it the MOTY and one of the best matches in company history.
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