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Unlike HDNet, the weekly broadcasts will air at different times and for those of us abroad, we'll be seeing it at all different times online too, so I guess we can discuss events/happenings here.

Here's the preview for this week.



SBG have brought some great technical leaps since HDNet. The Haas/Benjamin segment with them holding the belts looks real clear, for instance.

Can't wait.
 
#1,795 ·
It's supposed to air in the first weekend of Feb. And considering what they did to pull off the ROH stuff on here I'd say look elsewhere to see if it's any different to rip their stuff.

Raymond Rowe looks like a guy who loves Affliction shirts so much that he had to have one tattooed onto his body so he could wear it forever.
It's amazing how some guys can look awful and generic at the same time. I'm hoping Everett has a better showing in the TPT then the two matches last week but I don't have hopes with the guy he's in there with.
 
#1,798 ·
ACH got eliminated first round in last year's and people were outraged but he's doing just fine now.

I think the two guys in the finals have a bit more upside because they're not established names like Everett already. Also either guy are immediately believeable as legit TV title contenders against Tommaso. Everett like ACH last year needs more time to grow as a performer and pick his spots. I'm sure Everett will still be used by ROH.

ACH from last January to now is like night and day in a good way.
 
#1,799 ·
ROH had Taven to put it all on last year. Plus Silas Young & Adam Page were in it too. Actual talent. Crop this year isn't even half as promising. That's my whole point. Goes back to KC's post ^ about how some guys can just be so bland & generic. There's no reason to care there.

Don't see how it is much "night & day" difference for ACH either. b/c he's on the roster? That's about the only stride he made.
 
#1,802 ·
Nobody thought anything of Page or Silas Young in last year's tournament either. Did you have any reason to care about last year's tournament? The entire story of the tournament is just newer guys trying to impress and get more opportunities. It's not like they're trying to do some big angle.

ACH has improved a ton. Go back and watch his early work in 2013 in ROH and watch his recent stuff namely his match vs Adam Cole. His selling has improved tenfold. He's also gotten a lot better at psychology, slowing down and making his spots mean more. ACH is no longer the spot monkey he once was. That is why I made the comparison to Everett, who I think will eventually go down the same path to becoming a more well-rounded wrestler like ACH did.
 
#1,800 ·
Been a long time. First show I'm watching since the one with Ciampa, Steen and Elgin vs Wolves and Lethal?.. not sure.

Kongo/Rowe was fun while it lasted. Nothing amazing but a nice way to open the tournament. Would love to see Kongo/Ciampa in the future, where Ciampa will absolutely kill Kongo with knees, forearms and everything :D:
Gotta be honest, I'm getting sick of Elgin and his endless chase after the title. The Hero/Steen promo was nice.

The whole Posey/Daly/Hollis was terrible.

Coleman/Lethal was fine, Corino was gold.

Wish the show had more segments, considering that it was the fallout show from Final Battle.

Hero/Steen was tons of fun until the interference. I think Hero is kinda losing his momentum after his return, mostly because AJ is getting most of the attention from the fans. Hopefully his booking will be strong for the rest of the year.

Pretty good show, loved the crowd.
 
#1,801 ·
It did feel unintentionally counterproductive for Hero's hype to have AJ Styles return to ROH on the same tapings, huh? That's merely unfortunate timing for Hero's stance atm, but nothing that should hurt him in the long run during 2014. ROH was smart to take advantage of getting Styles on their show ASAP.
 
#1,816 ·
Between the still-ongoing Jay Briscoe/Cole story and AJ Styles coming back for however long he's there Hero's going to be in the background until after WM weekend (I think he's still lined up for Gabe Inc. shows) so hence the feud with The Decade.


You're kidding yourself if you think ACH is exactly the same as he was a year ago. Like I said, check his recent match vs Adam Cole and compare it to his work in late 2012/early 2013. His selling of the leg and placement of his highspots meant so much more. Night and Day. Dismissing psychology as a useless buzzword is a pretty ridiculous comment but more power to you if that's how you feel.
Of course he's gotten better (generally that happens with more experience), but it's not like just his ROH work is the reason for that. Quite honestly I'd place it quite low compared to his other work considering for most of his tenure he's been unnecessarily locked in a tag team that it's clear is just there to do MOVEZ! and will replace C&C as that team. When he's been in singles generally he's shined.

As for the tournament yeah it's the same story, but you can't discount that the players are different and that might impact whether you like it or not. Yeah Cheeseburger is liked but when they've done a match where it's a question whether or not he can take Maria, it's a wasted spot. Same with Titus who looked done with SCUM and Hollis with a team I have no idea why they use.
 
#1,803 ·
I've thought plenty of Silas Young prior to the Tournament. So when he showed up I was interested in seeing how his career would go w/ROH. If there is no reason to care about the tournament, then why would people bother to watch? :ti

ACH is the same as he was before. But it's worth a chuckle to see the "psychology" mention pop up. Useless buzz word.

Everett is already a stand out wrestler. Not sure why he would have to get more 'well rounded' when he's competent in the ring as it is. Feel like that statement is used b/c some have the mentality that wrestlers need to work on the ground as much as one may fly through the air. Or throw more punches. Or do more "moves". Something else to compensate for some void the wrestler actually doesn't have. Don't buy it.
 
#1,805 ·
I've thought plenty of Silas Young prior to the Tournament. So when he showed up I was interested in seeing how his career would go w/ROH. If there is no reason to care about the tournament, then why would people bother to watch?
You missed my point. You seemed to imply you cared more about last year's tournament than this year's because they haven't given you a reason to care (according to you). I mentioned that the story of last year's tournament was exactly the same as this year's. Whether you like the talent more or not is irrelevant when as I said the story is exactly the same.

ACH is the same as he was before. But it's worth a chuckle to see the "psychology" mention pop up. Useless buzz word.
You're kidding yourself if you think ACH is exactly the same as he was a year ago. Like I said, check his recent match vs Adam Cole and compare it to his work in late 2012/early 2013. His selling of the leg and placement of his highspots meant so much more. Night and Day. Dismissing psychology as a useless buzzword is a pretty ridiculous comment but more power to you if that's how you feel.

Everett is already a stand out wrestler. Not sure why he would have to get more 'well rounded' when he's competent in the ring as it is. Feel like that statement is used b/c some have the mentality that wrestlers need to work on the ground as much as one may fly through the air. Or throw more punches. Or do more "moves". Something else to compensate for some void the wrestler actually doesn't have. Don't buy it.
No I never said he needs to be more technical or work the ground more, BUT he definitely needs to give more meaning to his highflying spots and work on his selling. It never hurts however to be a wrestler who can mix up his styles on the fly. Ricochet managed to go from generic indy highflying to the best highflyer in the world AND a great technical wrestler. Being the guy that does cool shit with no rhyme or reason and no drama has a very low ceiling in wrestling (AR Fox being the prime example for this). I don't know about you but I personally feel like Everett has more potential than the AR Fox role.

Like I said, if Everett continues working with ROH and wrestling better and better talent he'll improve a ton by the end of the year similar to ACH.
 
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I personally think this year's bunch has less stand outs than last year's, but who knows, maybe a year or two from now we'll look back and it turns out this bunch gave ROH a bunch of good talents. I don't think this will be the case, but we'll see.

I just hope Rhett Titus aka Romantic Touch wins this tournament.

Edit: I meant I hope Rhett Titus doesn't win the tournament.
 
#1,806 ·
A) HaleySabin you're wrong cause every wrestler needs to throw more rad punches. SIMPLE FACTS! (Let's sprinkle some sarcasm sauce on this so it to make it 100% clear for errybody)

B)Cheeseburger and Romantic Touch killed my desires for the tournament. Honestly it may end up being an okay time but their inclusion hurts a bit in my eyes. Will say that Rowe is probably the guy that ROH will get over with this tournament since he almost seems made for ROH. He could potentially be a fixture for ROH in a year cause he works that sorta style and is rather big. Honestly I wouldn't be able to judge the whole field cause I know little about most of them but for some reason I find that intriguing right now. Maybe not TOP PROSPECTS but this might get me to watch a wee bit of ROH in the form of the tournament. We'll see how long that lasts though.
 
#1,812 ·
I think Rowe, Hanson, Everett and Hollis will all be given more opportunities following the tournament. They seem to have plans to Daly as well, since they didn't have him wrestle but cut a promo demanding a title shot (unless he's actually hurt as he said). Titus being in the tournament didn't bother me as much as all the SCUM members seem to be getting their own separate story arcs to re-introduce them to the show. Cheeseburger is one of the most over babyfaces they have atm, so I get them putting him in the tournament as well.
 
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