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#1 ·
Unlike HDNet, the weekly broadcasts will air at different times and for those of us abroad, we'll be seeing it at all different times online too, so I guess we can discuss events/happenings here.

Here's the preview for this week.



SBG have brought some great technical leaps since HDNet. The Haas/Benjamin segment with them holding the belts looks real clear, for instance.

Can't wait.
 
#250 ·
I agree with Peachchaos' match ratings.

Without the audience really lapping the ending up, i'd say the episode would have been a dud for me though (other than Roderick Strong's promo which i enjoyed too). Overall, far too much filler and advertising in proportion to the wrestling. I do fail to see how the last two weeks have shown that ROH is unique/better than its competition. I'll give it another two weeks to put a match on that really represents them before I lose interest...well maybe three weeks as i'd really like to follow the product, having given up on WWE & TNA.
 
#256 · (Edited)
Here's a breakdown of the Kevin Steen vs. Ring of Honor feud:

* 2007-2009: Kevin Steen and El Generico rise to the top of the ROH Tag Team Division.
* Final Battle 2009: Steen turns on Generico
* Early 2010: Steve Corino is revealed as Steen's mentor; Colt Cabana decides to help his friend Generico
* Generico does not want to fight Steen, but is pressured when seeing the carnage inflicted on other wrestlers
* Mid 2010: A series of brutal tag matches ensues, with neither team getting the upper hand
* DBD7: Steen and Generico have their first one-on-one encounter, but Steen cheats to win
* Cabana def. Corino in an I Quit Match, effectively agreeing to end their involvement
* Jim Cornette and ROH management express their concerns about the feud, since all the bloody hardcore matches have cost the company thousands of dollars in damages and put the fans at risk. He blames most everything on Kevin Steen.
* A Fight Without Honor is booked with added stipulations: if Steen wins, Generico unmasks. If Generico wins, Steen is banished from ROH (exactly what Cornette wants to happen).
* Final Battle 2010: Generico def. Steen
* Steen is not seen or mentioned in ROH for over 6 months.
* Early 2011: Steve Corino apologizes for his actions and claims to be rehabilitating his career. He promises to do evil things no longer. The ROH locker room is skeptical.
* Mid 2011: After months and months of trying to do the right thing and stay out of trouble, Corino finds himself outnumbered by the House of Truth. He brings in his new sponsor, Jimmy Jacobs, to help keep him on the straight path.
* Through various social media sources, Kevin Steen claims to be a reformed man, much like Corino.
* Despite having Jacobs at his side, Corino makes the judgement to buy Steen a plain ticket to help against the House of Truth in NYC. Both Cornette and Jacobs are skeptical of this decision.
* Best in the World 2011: Steen arrives to a huge ovation, but takes out everyone in sight, including Corino, Jacobs, the House of Truth and ringside attendants. Cornette swears on his mother's grave this will be the last time anyone sees Steen in an ROH ring. This pretty much makes Steen the most over-wrestler in the promotion.
* "Is Kevin Steen right?" flyers start appearing on cars after ROH events.
* Steen's name is removed from the roster, past results, and message board pages of rohwrestling.com
* Although the angle is referred to in passing, Kevin Steen's name is not mentioned in videos.
* Almost a year removed from the Steen/Generico feud, ROH books Corino against Generico in a match where Steve has to prove his loyalty. Due to prior commitments and fear of reverting to his old ways, Corino backs out of the match and has Jacobs take his place.
* Aided by fans, Steen hacks the forum on the ROH website and posts a threatening video just a few days before the iPPV in NYC.
* DBD8: Steen returns, powerbombs Jacobs on the ring apron and wreaks havoc as the entire locker room tries to stop him. Cornette and Generico try desperately to fight Steen but are held back. Former ROH owner and generally great human being, Cary Silken, offers his hand to Steen in an attempt to ease the tension. Steen responds by nearly package pile-driving Silken, but is stopped and carried out. This angle is never mentioned again in the ppv broadcast.
* Post-show, outside of the venue, Steen gives a roaring speech to ROH fans, openly dissing Davey Richards and Jim Cornette.
* ROH debuts a new TV show and offers no recap of this feud and no mention of Kevin Steen.
 
#259 ·
And this is why I laugh at ROH's detractors when they say it's just a bunch of workers and nothing more. The creative at WWE couldn't have a wet dream that comes close to this. Amazing stuff, especially the viral stuff like the forum hack and the flyers on car windshields.
 
#260 · (Edited)
I love the viral stuff. That's why the AOTF angle is one of my faves of all time. It's awesome when the stories are being told through multiple different mediums, at once.

Peachchaos didn't really do justice to how long the Steen turn was teased for btw. He'd been pushing Generico around since...forever. Their team had a "big brother, little brother" dynamic. At one point they were, pretty much, a face/heel tag team, before patching things up, and then, eventually, BAM! Steen feigned retirement, worked everyone and turned.



The bookend chairshots are really important too. Starting and ending the initial Steen vs. Generico feud.

Don't know whether Truth Martini will stage a life intervention on Jacobs, Corino, Steen or anyone else yet. The HOT were tangled up with Generico, for the first half of this year, but they seem to have drifted away.

Quite a lot of detail to this and no-one has a clue where it's all going.
 
#265 ·
Oh. That looks awesome.

Kevin Steen vs. El Generico
Disc 1
Final Battle 2009, 12/19/09 Kevin Steen & El Generico vs The Young Bucks
Kevin Steen - Why?
Message From Japan
Video Wire 12/23/09
ROH on HDNet 1/11/10 Colt Cabana Interview
ROH on HDNet 1/11/10 Kevin Steen vs Alex Payne
ROH on HDNet 1/25/10 El Generico Interview
ROH on HDNet 1/25/10 El Generico vs Kenny King
SoCal Showdown, 1/29/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs Scott Lost & Scorpio Sky
SoCal Showdown, 1/29/10 Kevin Steen vs Human Tornado
ROH on HDNet 2/01/10 Kevin Steen, Steve Corino & Interview
ROH on HDNet 2/08/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs Bobby Dempsey & Alex Payne
Video Wire 02/09/10
ROH on HDNet 2/15/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino Interview
ROH on HDNet 2/15/10 Delirious vs Kevin Steen
ROH on HDNet 2/15/10 Off Air - Cabana Confronts Steen

Disc 2
8th Anniversary Show, 2/13/10 El Generico vs Davey Richards
8th Anniversary Show, 2/13/10 Kevin Steen vs Colt Cabana
Video Wire 2/17/10
ROH on HDNet 2/22/10 El Generico vs Rhett Titus
ROH on HDNet 2/22/10 Colt Cabanna Interview
ROH on HDNet 2/22/10 Colt Cabanna vs Bobby Sheilds
ROH on HDNet 3/01/10 Steve Corino vs Bobby Dempsey
ROH on HDNet 3/08/10 TV Title Tournament - Kevin Steen vs Rhett Titus
ROH on HDNet 3/08/10 Colt Cabana & Steve Corino Interview
ROH on HDNet 3/08/10 TV Title Tournament - El Generico vs Kenny King
ROH on HDNet 3/15/10 TV Title Tournament - Colt Cabana vs Eddie Edwards
Video Wire 3/15/10

Disc 3
Gold Rush, 3/19/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs Player Dos & Pee Wee
Gold Rush, 3/19/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs The House of Truth
Epic Encounter III, 3/20/10 Kevin Steen vs Player Dos
Epic Encounter III, 3/20/10 Colt Cabana vs Steve Corino
Epic Encounter III, 3/20/10 El Generico vs Chris Hero
Video Wire 3/23/10

Disc 4
From The Ashes, 3/26/10 Kevin Steen vs Kenny Omega
From The Ashes, 3/26/10 El Generico vs Steve Corino
Phoenix Rising, 3/27/10 Kevin Steen vs Scott Lost
Phoenix Rising, 3/27/10 Steven Corino vs Jerry Lynn
Phoenix Rising, 3/27/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs The American Wolves
Video Wire 3/30/10
The Big Bang, 4/03/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs Kevin Steen & Steve Corino

Disc 5
ROH on HDNet 4/05/10 Steve Corino vs Bobby Shields
ROH on HDNet 4/12/10 Steve Corino Interview
ROH on HDNet 4/12/10 El Generico & Steve Corino Confrontation
ROH on HDNet 4/12/10 Kevin Steen vs Eddie Edwards
Video Wire 4/14/10
ROH on HDNet 4/19/10 Kevin Steen/Steve Corino & El Generico/Colt Cabana Promos
Pick Your Poison, 4/23/10 El Generico vs Roderick Strong
Pick Your Poison, 4/23/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs Briscoe Brothers
Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enemies 2, 4/24/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs Kevin Steen & Steve Corino
Kevin Steen's Bloody Challenge
Video Wire 4/28/11

Disc 6
Civil Warfare, 5/07/10 Kevin Steen Promo
Civil Warfare, 5/07/10 Colt Cabana vs Kenny King
Civil Warfare, 5/07/10 Kevin Steen vs Christopher Daniels
Supercard Of Honor V, 5/08/10 Kevin Steen vs Colt Cabana
Video Wire 5/27/10
ROH on HDNet 5/17/10 Colt Cabana Promo
ROH on HDNet 5/17/10 Kevin Steen vs Roderick Strong
ROH on HDNet 5/24/10 Kevin Steen Promo
ROH on HDNet 5/24/10 Colt Cabana vs Eddie Edwards
ROH on HDNet 6/07/10 El Generico vs Ricky Reyes
ROH on HDNet 6/07/10 Death Before Dishonor VIII Hype Video
ROH on HDNet 6/07/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino Interview
ROH on HDNet 6/07/10 Steve Corino vs Jerry Lynn

Disc 7
ROH on HDNet 6/14/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino Interview
ROH on HDNet 6/14/10 Colt Cabana vs Steve Corino
Death Before Dishonor VIII Hype Video
Death Before Dishonor VIII, 6/19/10 El Generico vs Kevin Steen
Death Before Dishonor VIII, 6/19/10 2nd Annual Toronto Gauntlet (Clipped From Corino Entrance To Exit)
Death Before Dishonor VIII, 6/19/10 El Generico & Kevin Steen Brawl
Bonus: Ladder War I Kevin Steen & El Generico vs The Briscoes
Bonus: Ladder War II Kevin Steen & El Generico vs American Wolves

Disc 8
ROH on HDNet 6/28/10 Kevin Steen vs Bobby Shields
ROH on HDNet 6/28/10 El Generico vs Tyler Black
ROH on HDNet 7/19/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs El Generico & Colt Cabana
Videowire, 07/20/10
Hate: Chapter II, 07/23/10 El Generico vs Kevin Steen
Salvation, 07/24/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs American Wolves
Salvation, 07/24/10 Kevin Steen vs Tyler Black

Disc 9
Videowire, 08/03/10
ROH on HDNet 08/09/10 Colt Cabana vs Alex Anthony
ROH on HDNet 08/16/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino Interview
ROH on HDNet 08/16/10 El Generico vs Erick Stevens
ROH on HDNet 08/23/10 Kevin Steen vs Jerry Lynn
Videowire, 08/24/10
Champions Challenge, 08/27/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs All Night Express
Champions Challenge, 08/27/10 Kevin Steen vs Davey Richards
Champions Challenge, 08/27/10 Steve Corino vs Jeff Early
Tag Wars 2010, 08/28/10 El Generico vs Erick Stevens

Disc 10
Tag Wars 2010, 08/28/10 Kevin Steen vs Roderick Strong
ROH on HDNet 08/30/10 Kevin Steen/Steve Corino & El Generico/Colt Cabana Interview
ROH on HDNet 08/30/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs Kings of Wrestling
ROH on HDNet 08/30/10 Steve Corino vs Tyler Black
Videowire, 09/08/10
Fade To Black, 09/10/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs Necro Butcher & Shawn Daivari
Fade To Black, 09/10/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs Kings Of Wrestling
Glory By Honor IX, 09/11/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs El Generico & Colt Cabana

Disc 11
ROH on HDNet 09/20/10 Colt Cabana vs Jay Freddie
ROH on HDNet 09/27/10 Kevin Steen Interview
ROH on HDNet 09/27/10 Steve Corino vs Aiden Chambers
ROH on HDNet 10/04/10 Kevin Steen & El Generico Promo
ROH on HDNet 10/04/10 El Generico vs Davey Richards
ROH on HDNet 10/11/10 Kevin Steen vs Steve Corino
Videowire, 10/11/10
Allied Forces, 10/15/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs Kyle O'Reilly & Adam Cole
Richards vs Daniels, 10/16/10 Kevin Steen vs Homicide
Richards vs Daniels, 10/16/10 Colt Cabana vs Steve Corino

Disc 12
Richards vs Daniels, 10/16/10 Kevin Steen Promo
Videowire, 10/20/10
ROH on HDNet 11/01/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs Kevin Steen & Steve Corino
Videowire, 11/08/10
Survival Of The Fittest 2010, 11/12/10 Kevin Steen vs Kyle O'Reilly
Survival Of The Fittest 2010, 11/12/10 Steve Corino vs Adam Cole
Survival Of The Fittest 2010, 11/12/10 El Generico vs Kenny King
Survival Of The Fittest 2010, 11/12/10 Survival Of The Fittest (Cut At Steens Exit)
Fate Of An Angel II, 11/13/10 El Generico & Colt Cabana vs Kenny King & Rhett Titus
10 Questions With Steve Corino

Disc 13
Fate Of An Angel II, 11/13/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs Kings Of Wrestling
ROH on HDNet 11/15/10 Kevin Steen vs Grizzly Redwood
Videowire, 11/22/10
ROH on HDNet 11/22/10 Steve Corino Promo
ROH on HDNet 11/29/10 El Generico vs Steve Corino
ROH on HDNet 12/06/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino Promo
ROH on HDNet 12/06/10 El Generico vs Bobby Shields
ROH on HDNet 12/13/10 Kevin Steen vs Kory Chavis
Videowire, 12/13/10
Tag Title Classic II, 12/17/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino vs Jay & Mark Briscoe
Tag Title Classic II, 12/17/10 El Generico vs Grizzly Redwood vs Rhett Titus vs Ricky Reyes
Tag Title Classic II, 12/17/10 Kevin Steen & Steve Corino Promo

Disc 14
Final Battle Hype Video
Final Battle 2010, 12/18/10 Kevin Steen vs El Generico
Bonus: Fifth Year Festival Philly, 02/17/07 Kevin Steen & El Generico vs The Briscoes
Bonus: Dragon Gate Challenge II, 03/28/08 Kevin Steen & El Generico vs Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino
Bonus: Driven 08, 09/19/08 Kevin Steen & El Generico vs Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black
 
#274 ·
I'm not too impressed by what i've seen so far. However it's hard to judge after seeing two episodes . I just didn't like the format of the show . I would of preferred a format similar to superstars with at least three matches and maybe a squah match inbetween . Just have video packages inbetween then .

I agree some of the promos cut too were pretty horrible , but look who cut them . There is people on the roster who can cut immense promos , they just had the wrong people cut them .

I'd love to see them put Steen on TV soon , I understand they are trying to build the angle slow but there was no mention of him at all . I know ROH is sticking to keyfabe of Steen being banished , but the new viewers don't and won't have any idea of who Steen is and his history .

It's stupid if new fans who watched the show buy a PPV and don't know about their biggest angle . Hopefully they introduce him on screen before Final Battle .

It
 
#275 ·
It takes a while for any show to really get good. I agree, these first episodes have been okay but lacking excitement. Sadly, the next set of tapings doesn't seem to indicate anything more entertaining than just some really decent pro wrestling. Which is okay. But there has to be some drama at some point.
 
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