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#1 ·
Unlike HDNet, the weekly broadcasts will air at different times and for those of us abroad, we'll be seeing it at all different times online too, so I guess we can discuss events/happenings here.

Here's the preview for this week.



SBG have brought some great technical leaps since HDNet. The Haas/Benjamin segment with them holding the belts looks real clear, for instance.

Can't wait.
 
#2,570 ·
I don't want to be that curmudgeon, but the current roster has nothing on a circa '05-09 ROH lineup. What holds true for all this time with ROH (mostly) is that they competently book talent to make new credible names (except Jerry Lynn - fuck that). Cole is basically there, as is Lethal, and one or two others, but it takes time to pan that gold. ACH in a couple years too, imo. I mean, it's ok if it isn't as good - that roster was annually pillaged for half a decade by two different companies and, for a time, it was better every year in spite of it. That's ROH's Golden Age, so being compared to those guys and that time is a compliment in itself. It set the standard - there were multiple ***** matches in every one of those years - it was pretty crazy watching at the time.

It's better now than its been since '11-13, and fun to watch. They've found their guys for the time being and (mostly) just letting them do their thing (except Decade - fuck them):lmao
 
#2,571 · (Edited)
I never bought the ROH DVDs back when that and live events was the only way to watch them, but I used to download a few matches here and there and had to hear from all my die hard buddies in this old fed I used to be in about how good ROH was and how Punk, Joe, Danielson, etc. were the next big things so on and so forth. I used to hate on ROH so hard simply because it was right after ECW, and I was still pissed at ECW being dead so I held this sort of grudge against all the up and coming indies who I felt were just trying to be ECW and/or weren't good enough and wouldn't offer me anything new(so I foolishly thought). That said, when I did DL a match here and there, I couldn't deny it. Joe vs Kobashi were some of the early ROH matches I watched that made me realize that not only was it as good as ECW, but a legit claim at being better. Not in my book, never, but definitely in the eyes of many others and I could see why they'd think so. The whole Punk and Raven feud was magical. It wasn't just ECWesque of story telling greatness, it was overall pro wrestling history greatness.

The roster today I don't think has any one on that level to the point you just KNOW they're going to be stars at the NEXT level. There's some with potential but still have ways to go. ACTUAL WRESTLING WISE? From a strictly entertainment in ring perspective; they're still pretty close. They still have a ton of guys who can pull off extraordinary moves and just offer you FUN when you watch. As far as psychology goes(and story telling/promos), I don't think there's any Bryan, CMs or Samoas though. Guys you just know will succeed next level no matter what they have to go through.

Every time I can actually sit down and watch ROH TV, I'm usually ALWAYS pleased. As someone who wasn't an ROH fan in its glory years but definitely had an ear to the 'net, followed the who's who and DL'ed a few of the matches and promos, I feel good in my assessment that it's not as good but I also don't think that means that it isn't still a very good third option. I hear a lot about PWG, and all that other stuff but until they can get on TV -- ROH is the only true thing we have to a 3rd big company right now.
 
#2,585 ·
I'm glad you're enjoying both the new and classic Ring of Honor, but -- as KingCrash and Hayley pointed out -- they are very different promotions. The classic ROH was about young, hungry wrestlers with chips on their shoulders working at a hell-for-leather pace to carve out a new viable market for American pro wrestling. Most fans maintained the thought that talent like Danielson, Punk, and Samoa Joe would be misused in the WWE, because only so few stars were being made. It was a miracle at the time that a guy like Edge could finally break through, after seven or so years tearing it up in the midcard, that it seemed impossible for the big independent workers to find success there if workers like Edge and RVD were only just being recognized. ROH kicked ass because it had to. All wrestlers wanted to tear the house down because it was the only medium that can support their style and that they were meant to be in. In a roundabout way, as you said, ROH was a true successor to ECW.

Eventually the pace of the product started to reach inertia once it was clear that independent wrestlers could maintain quite a respectable position in the WWE. The signings of Danielson, McGuinness, and Black created a tacit guildeline that expounded that if you get your work done and get over, you will be contracted in New York or Japan. Since then it has been more sustainable and safe, regarding the in-ring pace and the tone of the shows. I can see a guy like Adam Cole working a much different wrestling style if he were breaking through in 2004-2007, but luckily for him he can elect to wrestle safer and smarter matches (for his own health, that is).

As for Adam Cole, I don't have any doubt that he'll have more success in the coming years. It's been evident that he has not finished blossoming his character, and he is getting layers better as he gains experience. A guy who I think is ready to make the big leagues right now is Jay Briscoe. I don't think there has been a wrestler that compliments the WWE's current direction in the history of the company. Historically, I have not been an enthusiastic fan for the Briscoes as a tag team and I find it very surprising to say, but I think Jay Briscoe is my favorite wrestler on the American independent circuit today.
 
#2,572 ·
Adam Cole is the only one who sticks out on the whole roster. He's not exclusive either, so it doesn't do the company many favors. Feel like Hanson's appeal is high. I'm biased towards big, thick awesome dudes though. He's someone I've only caught via ROH & that's kind of my point. I'd tune into the product just for his match, etc. While ROH was no stranger to sharing talent in the past during its Golden Years, they did a great job at making their roster feel like it was their own. Shame someone like Jimmy Jacobs is still around, but you probably wouldn't even notice unless you're really in tune w/current ROH on a frequent basis.
 
#2,576 ·
Adam Cole is the only one who sticks out on the whole roster. He's not exclusive either, so it doesn't do the company many favors. Feel like Hanson's appeal is high. I'm biased towards big, thick awesome dudes though. He's someone I've only caught via ROH & that's kind of my point. I'd tune into the product just for his match, etc. While ROH was no stranger to sharing talent in the past during its Golden Years, they did a great job at making their roster feel like it was their own. Shame someone like Jimmy Jacobs is still around, but you probably wouldn't even notice unless you're really in tune w/current ROH on a frequent basis.
What the hell? I love the Zombie Princess. Sure he should not be in the World title picture but as a midcard/tag team guy, a leader, an instigator and the stick that stirs the drink he is AMAZING!!!
 
#2,575 ·
Local Sinclair channel only airs it at 11 p.m. on Sunday nights now due to football -- out of football season it's also on at 6 p.m. Saturday.

Consequently I haven't seen as much lately. But I have tickets to the live show in Atlanta next year, front row. I'll do a lot of catching up in December and January.
 
#2,577 ·
I think he probably meant Jacobs should be doing bigger and better things than being stuck in ROH being in two flatline stables that aren't doing much.

At this point no one should even consider the Golden-Age ROH and current ROH the same company. You really can't compare the stars that broke out to the guys that are there now and it's run by a corporation who needs tv programming instead of a guy who loves wrestling and his high-strung workhorse booker. It's an easy watch most weeks, though this week I really didn't need both a Mark Briscoe and Cheeseburger match.
 
#2,581 · (Edited)
I feel the same way about Jacobs in that no matter how much air time he does get, it seems like ROH is okay with keeping him happy but not pushing him back up in to a prominent role where he can reprise some of the stuff he was doing back when; especially with the Age. Truly getting top billing and being a main event player in any way.

Due to his size and the fact that he's a brawler, I imagine that WWE would only really give him a manager type role since h'e such an exceptional mic worker. I could definitely see him and Ambrose working together in any facet there, be that as a team or going at one another which they have had in the past and while I have never seen any of their work I have heard many great things. TNA though he should have been got a shot there, surprised he never showed up in Orlando. I guess some of his personal demons have held him back and maybe these guys want to see that he can keep his stuff together before really giving him a shot.
 
#2,582 ·
More Bryan Danielson: ROH Championship run ratings:

Bryan Danielson vs Xavier - Unscripted II ***1/4
Bryan Danielson w/ CM Punk vs Jimmy Rave & Adam Pearce - Unscripted II ***3/4
Bryan Danielson vs Jimmy Rave - 4th Anniversary Show ****
Bryan Danielson vs Alex Shelley - Arena Warfare ****1/2

Really loved that Shelley match. Ironic now, but i did love Bryan's line to Punk at the end of that tag match (Punk had of course signed with WWE, and came back just for this one off) "If you ever get tired of the Entertainment business and want to return to wrestling". :D
 
#2,584 · (Edited)
Tag Team Championship
The Decade vs redDragon (c)
Very nice match. Some interesting spots and storytelling.
***1/4

TV Championship
Will Ferrara vs Jay Lethal (c)
Pretty good match. Very fast-paced and high-intensity.
***1/2

World Championship
Michael Bennet vs Jay Briscoe (c)
BROMG MARIA. Good match but I expected more from both. Some cool spots.
***1/4
 
#2,591 ·
#2,592 ·
Dark match: Jay Diesel def Matt Sex

ROH TV Champion Jay Lethal def Cedric Alexander with the Lethal Injection

RD Evans & Moose def The Decade (BJ Whitmer & Jimmy Jacobs)
– Adam Page and Roderick Strong continued to show physical tension during the match

Mike Bennett def Will Ferrara after interference from Taven and Maria
– After match Bennett and Taven beat up Ferrera some more until ACH made the save

ACH def Matt Taven with a 450 after some interference backfires
– After the match Taven and Bennett hit the spike piledriver on ACH
TaDarius Thomas def Romantic Touch

The Briscoes def The Addiction (Christopher Daniels and Frankie Kazarian)

Survival of the Fittest 2014 6 way Elimination Match: Adam Page vs. Roderick Strong vs. Hanson vs. Tommaso Ciampa vs. Adam Cole vs. Matt Sydal
– Adam Page eliminates Roderick Strong with a roll up after BJ Whitmer interferes
– Matt Sydal eliminates Adam Page with a SSP
– Michael Elgin came out to distract the wrestlers at this point. Elgin put Tommaso Ciampa through a table on the outside. Ciampa was escorted out of the match.
– Ciampa came back out to force Bennett and Taven away who were trying to help Adam Cole
– Tommaso Ciampa eliminates Matt Sydal with Project Ciampa
– Adam Cole eliminates Ciampa, pinning him after Elgin came back out and hit Ciampa with a chair
– Adam Cole eliminates Hanson with the Florida Key to win the 2014 SOTF Tournament

Jay Briscoe vs. Adam Cole at Final Battle 2014 for the ROH World Title

:mark: at who won SOTF
 
#2,599 ·
I took it as when you want the rain to clean things up you have to deal with some mud (mess). In other words if they want him to clean up his act there will be a price to pay.

I am just disappointed they edited his promo so much. Granted a lot was not needed but I was hoping to see his responce to the "what" chants at first. He made a comment about them using a chant from the 90's and way to be current and they responded with a mullet chant. And if I recall right part of his promo was about winning and he pointed out a couple people in the crowd and made comments about them including one about getting a large number of kills on COD and how that was not really winning.
 
#2,601 ·
That Elgin promo was so bad. It's not enjoyable when you combine a guy who can't cut a promo to save his life with a tired disgruntled employee angle no one wants to see. Nice a homeless shelter gave him a jacket to wear for it.



I thought it was going to be Ciampa considering they were building him up to challenge Jay and they were already going with Cole/Jay at Final Battle, but for what they used to do with SOTF Hanson would have made a good winner and slugfest with Jay. That potential Ciampa vs. Elgin feud looks dire.
 
#2,598 ·
Well, I just watched the main event of Champions vs All Stars and good lord was that awesome. I'm throwing somewhere around **** 1/4 to **** 1/2 on it right now but that will probably change. Jay Briscoe must be my favorite in ring worker in all of wrestling right now. Such a damn good brawler - his uppercuts and strikes just look absolutely devastating at times. I'd love to see him work a couple of matches with guys like Cesaro, Sheamus, and Barrett down in WWE (though I am fully aware that he has worked against Cesaro as Claudio Castagnoli in ROH).
 
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