[Fighter Daron]

I can't understand how someone could actually enjoy thirty minutes of sloppy spots one by one, awkward transitions, poor crowd and a lame finish, and when they end the match, they fucking think it was great. Wow.

[smitlick]

https://twitter.com/#%21/jaybriscoe8...08522006925314

[TheAce]

yeah the WGTT matches this year have sucked....ultra boring IMO.....I've always been real positive about different aspects of ROH over the years, even in times when things have been at a low point but I can't honestly think of a time when I've been less interested in the promotion.

ROH's TV foray so far has been underwhelming to the point of failure and even though the Steen angle is almost impossible to F up, they are really taking the momentum out of it...

[USAUSA1]

There's a difference between bad and boring. I've seen a lot of good Bret Hart matches that was boring but was technically a good story.

It's obviously WGTT is the most popular talent in the company. The main storyline on SBG tv have been WGTT vs.Briscoes. They get more tv time than Davey Richards.

[Seabs]

Being the main story on the TV show doesn't mean they're popular. From my experience of watching their matches their reactions seem to be going down by each show and the crowd are always quieter during their matches than other matches on the same card because they just go through the motions and don't get the crowd involved in their matches. Corino's far from the best worker in the promotion but I much preferred his matches with Bennett this year than nearly all WGTT matches this year because he got the crowd involved with them and made the fun.

Don't agree with the Bret comparison either as I don't think their matches have been technically all that sound either. Nearly every match has just been a match and that's it. Never much of a story or structure or limb work.

I think their personal relationship with Cornette and WWE history is working against them really bad because they never seem motivated or have a desire to have the best match on the card. Cornette and Kelly are so in love with them because of their WWE and OVW history they just look over it and there isn't really anyone to tell them they've sucked and need to step their game up.

[Les Kellett Lariat]

Originally Posted by jawbreaker

I've fallen asleep during WGTT matches four times this year out of the seven I've watched.

Funny because you've given meticulous star ratings and broken down what you thought was good/bad about them, over and over again.

The bullshit keeps spiralling. I think you need to stop the madness.

If you can't take any enjoyment from seeing a team that's as historically-significant as WGTT having a run in a small hall promotion, like ROH, then...well...fuck knows.

[SuperDuperSonic]

Wrestling's Greatest Sleep Inducers: Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin

Haas/Benjamin vs. ANX - HDNet
Haas/Benjamin/Briscoes vs. KOW/ANX - HDNet
Haas/Benjamin/Davey vs. Strong/KOW - 2/25/2010
Haas/Benjamin vs. Briscoes - 5/7/2011
Charlie Haas vs. Davey Richards - 5/21/2011
Shelton Benjamin vs. Claudio Castagnoli - 5/21/2011
Haas/Benjamin vs. Briscoes vs. ANX vs. KOW - 6/26/2011
Haas/Benjamin vs. Generico/Cabana - 7/8/2011
Haas/Benjamin vs. Bravados - 7/9/2011

[Seabs]

Maybe he woke back up and tried sitting through them again?

Also that last point is stupid. Would Ultimate Warrior wrestling in ROH have to be enjoyable because it's a big name from the WWF alumni in a small promotion like ROH? It's not even like Benjamin and Haas had huge success in WWE aside from their initial run for like a year and Benjamin in 2004. They really aren't all that significant historically, or at least not as much as you make them out to be in your argument. If there wrestling sucks (which it has) then there's no enjoyment to be taken no matter where they came from.

[EffectRaven]

On the topic of WGTT, am I the only one who hates Charlie Haas' skullcap? I don't know why but I think it makes him look like a total douche. Might have something to do with the fact he never seems like he wants to be there

[Les Kellett Lariat]

Originally Posted by Seabs

Maybe he woke back up and tried sitting through them again?

Also that last point is stupid. Would Ultimate Warrior wrestling in ROH have to be enjoyable because it's a big name from the WWF alumni in a small promotion like ROH? It's not even like Benjamin and Haas had huge success in WWE aside from their initial run for like a year and Benjamin in 2004. They really aren't all that significant historically, or at least not as much as you make them out to be in your argument. If there wrestling sucks (which it has) then there's no enjoyment to be taken no matter where they came from.

- Ultimate Warrior's style doesn't fit ROH, in the way that WGTT's does. If Ultimate Warrior turned up in, say, Chikara, then people would take enjoyment. Of course, as always, certain fans would wallow in their formulaic asterisk ratings and completely miss the point.

- WGTT were part of a group of wrestlers (Lesnar, Angle etc.) that pioneered a unique style, primarily on Smackdown, in an era that's fondly remembered as one of the high-points of the past decade. If not for those wrestlers, the trend that led to the success of ROH and similar companies might never have started.

- I can't name a more significant tag team in the past decade. The Briscoes are hugely important, in a completely different way, but no-one else springs to mind.

- The "their wrestling sucks" argument just shows how short people's memories are. Two out of their three matches with the KOW were excellent old school tag matches. The Briscoes match showed an intense, physical side of Shelton Benjamin that, at that time, I didn't think existed. The Wolves match was a great simple way to steer home an awesome weekend of wrestling.