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Old 09-26-2011, 01:10 PM   #141 (permalink)
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I'm watching this out of curiosity and so far I like it, the production values and the advertising didn't bother me at all. Makes perfect sense for a small company like RoH to advertise their show like this on their first episode.

I haven't seen the main event yet, I now feel like watching Best in the World.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:24 PM   #142 (permalink)
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The production values reminded me of when I discovered TNA explosion in 2003 in the middle of the night on some cable station I had at the time.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:06 PM   #143 (permalink)
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1 more point - the camerawork was horrible! Why not have your hard cam zoom in and out slightly like WWE and TNA do, and use less of the ringside shots.. I have no expericence in television whatsoever and even I could have told them this..

And what a crappy way to start a show, having Kevin Kelly, some guy from the 90's who got made fun of by The Rock on a weekly basis for such things as picking his nose introduce a guy from TNA who's last appearance there was being called a small-dicked loser by his girlfriend "Chelsea"

You're right that only ROH fans could have possibly enjoyed this show, and if they don't try and adapt to a modern style they will fail.. I'd like to see the numbers for this week compared to next week, wouldn't be surprised to see half the audience drop off

The thing is ROH is meant to be a alternative, not WWE lite 3.0! Granted ROH has been known to have shotty camera work in the past but asking them to change things,like camera shots, announcers, and wrestlers to fit mainstream is wack and honestly often does more harm than good. I think if you watch the product for what it is you will more than likely appreciate the product and become a fan. Not every thing has to be the same in life. Its cool to do your own things sometimes, which is something ROH is doing.


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Yeah, I brought that up earlier. I think the house shows, if they continue to release them on dvd as they have in the past, will always be a problem that can't be solved but it doesn't need to be an issue with the IPPVs, even TNA manage to work around that. Even with the dvds it's no so bad because ROH have always tried to put on matches that people really want to see regardless of whether they know the results in advance so it can still be dealt with. And they can imporve on the turnaround as well, Smart Mark Video managed to get CHIKARA King Of Trios out on dvd less than 24 hours after the conclusion this year, that's something to aim for.

ROH can't possibly quit there DVD side of their business, but turning some strictly DVD based shows into IPPV's should be looked at IMO. I think ROH can put out at least 8-10 IPPV's a year while still making a profit with DVD sales. As for smart Mark's quick turn around does CHIKARA have commentary for there releases? Because I know that often slows down DVD production. But hopefully the continuity issues aren't that bad this time around because I actually quit watching the HD-net shows cause there were so off at times.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:07 PM   #144 (permalink)
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Full disclosure: I'm an ROH fan. These days I really only watch ROH and a few other indie promotions. I attended the tapings in Chicago Ridge. Although I do appreciate seeing wrestling in HD, I generally can't stand the glossy production and hokey soap opera of WWE. I have never been able to sit through an entire episode of TNA.

I watched this episode twice, first as it was broadcast on the network in my area and again as a downloaded file. The station broadcast was shown in 4:3 and as I have a big HDTV it just seemed a little off. I was pretty amped to have to wait until midnight to watch it though, as I felt some ECW nostalgia come over me. It felt cool to watch the show live, but who am I kidding really? I DVR everything else and watch it later. So I decided to download the 16:9 version and check it out. HUGE improvement, so much so that I doubt I'll even watch the broadcast again!

Production
Yes, the production values are a major step down from the HDNet show in some ways, but they are a big step forward from the DVD product ROH has been releasing for the past 10 years. So we're not in HD, but at least the arena is well lit and the sound is clear. I would argue that the title and graphics are much more tasteful than ROH on HDNet. This show looks and feels like a sports show, which is a definite plus.

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Future Shock vs. The Bravado Brothers ***1/2
WGTT vs. The Kings of Wrestling ***

This was the perfect amount of wrestling for a one hour show. Two matches, some recaps and some hype is exactly what a company needs to use to sell their product every week. No dull squashes or lame in-ring interviews. Just some decent action and a serviceable amount of hype for the future. I was highly entertained by both matches, slightly more-so by the opener. Showing the fallout from the BITW four way was a great way to show what's going on in the tag division. The interviews with Lethal, Future Shock and the Bravados were short, but gave just enough insight into each character. I thoroughly enjoyed the magazine-style video on the Code of Honor and the recap of BITW.

I find it hard to understand why the TNA marks are all picking on Kevin and Nigel. Both guys more than delivered on commentary. (Is this the best commentary team in ROH history? Probably.) Nigel received a huge reaction when he returned and came out with a lot of positive energy. I thought that was a great way to open the show.

Stray Observations
- The house is dimly lit, but that's for good reason since the Fieldhouse is just an ugly basketball gym. Trust me, it would have looked really amateur if the house light were on.
- More Briscoes promos, please.
- "2"
- This show will benefit from being shot in Louisville, where the Davis Arena has more of a "studio" feel.
- Funny seeing the enormous amounts of streamers for the Kings, only to see a single roll of toilet paper thrown at Haas moments later.
- Dave Prazak's insufferable dorkiness and out-dated heel shtick have been the bane of ROH releases for years. Thank God for Nigel McGuinness.
- The final appearance of the Kings of Wrestling. The return of an ROH legend. Two really solid matches predominantly focusing on the Tag Team Division. Improved production qualities. Ring of Honor fans should be easily pleased. Everyone else will be much harder to impress. Very interested to see where this series goes.
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ROH can't possibly quit there DVD side of their business, but turning some strictly DVD based shows into IPPV's should be looked at IMO. I think ROH can put out at least 8-10 IPPV's a year while still making a profit with DVD sales. As for smart Mark's quick turn around does CHIKARA have commentary for there releases? Because I know that often slows down DVD production. But hopefully the continuity issues aren't that bad this time around because I actually quit watching the HD-net shows cause there were so off at times.
Yeah, they always have commentary and, to answer your next question, the production quality was no different than any of the other shows from the ECW Arena.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:38 PM   #146 (permalink)
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Lol at trolls saying FS/Bravados was boring.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:41 PM   #147 (permalink)
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I really didn't expect my complaint about ROH to be "not enough wrestling" but there it is. That 20 minutes or so of random clips and recap between the two matches was brutal. Oh well, this was their first episode. Hopefully they bring more MEAT from now on. Overall I'd say this show was weak though.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:52 PM   #148 (permalink)
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yeah I hated the 20 minutes of recaps of shit I've already seen. they could have opened with some of that, then gone into FS/Bravados.

Also Prazak's heel schtick was hit or miss but he knew and understood the product and never felt like a shill the way Kelly does sometimes. He made me care about what was going on without telling me to care. Nothing against Nigel, who did a fine job and will get better in time (though it hurts to see him not wrestling), but I really miss Leonard/Prazak.
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:18 PM   #149 (permalink)
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Lol at trolls saying FS/Bravados was boring.
It wasn't boring to me, just overdone.

The over saturated the match with double team moves to the point where it was unbelievable. It looks too set up. And like I mentioned the last 2 minutes was just a bunch of no selling and the finish was retarded in terms of how the rest of the match played out. Am I supposed to believe a guy can easily get back up within 2 seconds after receiving a brutal spike DDT to German Suplex combo but can't even move after a clothesline/leg sweep combo?

ROH resembles nothing of a 80s NWA, in terms of wrestling style. The atmosphere resembles it for sure but the style of wrestling is nothing 80s NWA. Trust me I know the 80s style when I see it, it's my favourite style of wrestling, but ROH is not that. It's just your typical indy promotion that relies on cheap pops from the crowd by doing these insane moves that have no meaning or impact on the match at all.

I'm not saying I don't like it, hell I'm tuning in next week for sure! But the opening tag match was nothing fantastic, it was just average.

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Prazak didn't seem like a shill cuz he was always pandering to his gimmick. Leonard always seems so forceful, like he's screaming right at me. He never really says anything compelling either, its just a constant wall of soundbites.

There's nothing wrong with selling the product either, but I'm sure Kelly will tone it down through time. He certainly can't spend every episode telling the audience that they "won't see action like this anywhere else". For now I just appreciate the dynamic Kevin and Nigel have as both guys have significant insight since they've been a part of the business for so long.
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