[Les Kellett Lariat]

Yesterday, I red repped Dick C. Normis, telling him that he wouldn't be a real troll until he had a red rep bar and that he needed to "troll harder".

I must say I'm impressed by his response.

[The Streak]

Can't believe the hate for the tag match. You guys should just go lock yourself in a room with air boom videos on a loop.

[jawbreaker]

Which tag match? KOW-WGTT?

[Chismo]

On a side note, I fucking love the way ring looks now. Black/red combo with white logos is beautiful.

[WashingtonD]

First time viewer of ROH here and will never be watching again. If you want wrestling matches with no meaning then go and watch WWE Superstars - which actually has some compelling matches.. Dibiase vs Tyson Kidd this week was great and told a story in the ring as well as having some great nearfalls.. it was much more exciting than what ROH put on for it's premiere (way to keep viewers hooked). ROH decide to put on 2 tag team matches for their first show? They don't even show off their world champion in the ring or give him any decent time bar a little segment and some coverage from PPV? This show felt more like an advert for an ROH live show, rather than a compelling TV show to tune back in to next week. The production was probably even poorer than ECW's was in the mid-90's too, almost 20 years ago.. Anyway, had my rant, continue

[ThumbInTheBum]

ROH treat the WORLD tag-team titles with the same respect as their WORLD title. If they had a WORLD cruiserweight title (and enough guys in both weight classes to justify that decision) they'd probably treat that the same as well. It's the smart thing to do, no matter how hard they try there will always be times when the world title match isn't all that interesting and the tag-team title match is of far more importance. That happened ay the 9th Anniverssary Show when nobody gave a flying fuck about Strong vs Homocide. Admittedly the closing match wasn't the tag-team title match, rather it was WGTT vs The Briscoes but that still shows that the division is strong enough to allow that to happen.

[Bubz]

Thats one of the things that first interested me in ROH years ago, the fact that the tag belts are treated as eaquals to the world title. I knew this show wouldn't really make many new fans of the product, as is evident by some of the posts in this thread, and that is why (like Shirley and others have said) they are smart to stick to their fan base they have now and if new fans happen to watch it and like it then thats awesome.

[WashingtonD]

Originally Posted by ThumbInTheBum

ROH treat the WORLD tag-team titles with the same respect as their WORLD title. If they had a WORLD cruiserweight title (and enough guys in both weight classes to justify that decision) they'd probably treat that the same as well. It's the smart thing to do, no matter how hard they try there will always be times when the world title match isn't all that interesting and the tag-team title match is of far more importance. That happened ay the 9th Anniverssary Show when nobody gave a flying fuck about Strong vs Homocide. Admittedly the closing match wasn't the tag-team title match, rather it was WGTT vs The Briscoes but that still shows that the division is strong enough to allow that to happen.

Fair enough, but why not bump the other useless tag match which was boring as hell and have your world champion in action? If they wanted to gain new fans by going on TV then they have failed. Why not instigate some proper feuds or storylines, or something to make the viewers return next week? As I said, it felt more like a 1 hour infomercial of sorts, advertising what an ROH live show is like. If that's what they want to do, then fine, but they're not going to draw any viewers bar the ROH faithful, which is hardy anyone

[ThumbInTheBum]

Originally Posted by Bubz

Thats one of the things that first interested me in ROH years ago, the fact that the tag belts are treated as eaquals to the world title. I knew this show wouldn't really make many new fans of the product, as is evident by some of the posts in this thread, and that is why (like Shirley and others have said) they are smart to stick to their fan base they have now and if new fans happen to watch it and like it then thats awesome.

That's certainly the approach to take, the approach since day 1 has basically been to build by word of mouth and it's worked so far. I don't see the production quality being an issue either, after all, I first got into ROH watching the early shows when they were broadcast on TWC and back then they were barely better than fancams. Some of the other promotions broadcast on that channel were arguably worse that that.

[WashingtonD]

1 more point - the camerawork was horrible! Why not have your hard cam zoom in and out slightly like WWE and TNA do, and use less of the ringside shots.. I have no expericence in television whatsoever and even I could have told them this..

And what a crappy way to start a show, having Kevin Kelly, some guy from the 90's who got made fun of by The Rock on a weekly basis for such things as picking his nose introduce a guy from TNA who's last appearance there was being called a small-dicked loser by his girlfriend "Chelsea"

You're right that only ROH fans could have possibly enjoyed this show, and if they don't try and adapt to a modern style they will fail.. I'd like to see the numbers for this week compared to next week, wouldn't be surprised to see half the audience drop off