Originally Posted by Combat Analyst
A smark is a smart mark who supposedly knows the ins and outs of the business, so traits they show is too much knowledge of the wrestling industry to the point they think they know about it more then fans and the wrestling industry itself.
Again making generalazations like "people who watch more than you" and saying I don't know what a gimmick is, is just bashing. Asking what someone's gimmick is doesn't mean you don't know what it is. Maybe you're just one of those people who thinks a gimmick has to be Doink The Clown.
When I say how good is Charlie Haas I'm asking how good is he? That doesn't mean I'm afraid to be wrong, I just happen to not watch alot of ROH, so I'm asking how good is he from maybe people who do.
how do you not realize what you're saying in the second and third paragraphs
also, I've explained what a gimmick is in the past and how many wrestlers don't have them, and how if they do they are either inessential to understanding the character (Kenny Omega likes anime) or something you can pick up on within two minutes of watching them wrestle (the Briscoes are rednecks). coming onto an internet message board and asking "what is this guy's gimmick" is pretty much the epitome of either laziness or not understanding gimmicks, and is generally a waste of everyone's time.
then you make threads like the one where you just ask people to name tag teams. that's not a discussion, that's "let's create a list". you don't offer anything to the conversation, you just want other people to tell you what's there instead of figuring it out for yourself.
stop asking questions and just try and follow what other people are talking about. you'll learn more that way and you'll annoy a whole lot less people.
Originally Posted by USAUSA1
Charlie Haas is the best heel in the business(at least in US and Canada). He is a great talker because he gets straight to the point,set the tone,and never pander to the audience like "YES YES YES". Haas is a traditional heel. To say Haas suck in the ring is just stupid. He's one of the best amateur wrestlers in the business, he is a well respected veteran among his peers. I can't think of too many traditional heels in the business that is better. Maybe Roode or Pearce but that's it.
holy shit you just managed to completely obliterate both Combat Analyst and EmbassyForever in the "who can be the most wrong" contest
"pandering to the audience" is literally what wrestling is all about
. it's what makes it more than two guys in the ring trying to beat each other. when Haas has his brief spurts of being not-awful, it is because he is "pandering to the audience". wrestling is about making the audience want to see you wrestle. the audience is the most important thing in wrestling and "pandering" to them is what makes good wrestlers good
Haas is a horrible wrestler even purely based on moves and execution. his offense is sloppy pretty much all the time, he never builds to anything or has anything seem like the culmination of his offense. he never sells effectively over a long period of time, his bumps are half-assed and clumsy, and he looks like he's trying to find the most comfortable way to fall all the time. he frequently blows spots due to being slow and/or lazy, which on several occasions has resulted in his opponents taking flat-out dangerous bumps because he was not where he should have been, and on far more occasions has resulted in his opponent having to slow down or even flat-out stop mid-spot because he was not where he should have been. he's a flat-out atrocious wrestler who not only makes everyone around him look worse, but actually endangers their safety in the ring.
and yet people still think he's good because of his amateur background of all things. amateur wrestling has nothing to do with pro wrestling except for the name. literally nothing
. they are fundamentally different activities. amateur wrestling is about wrestling against another competitor who is also trying to beat you. pro wrestling is about working with another performer to create the illusion that you are trying to beat each other. they are not the same thing and have incredibly little to do with one another. but since Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar happened to understand how pro wrestling worked, and have the athleticism to excel at both, people think there's some kind of correlation between amateur and pro wrestling skill. there isn't, and the perpetuation of that myth shows an absurd level of misunderstanding of what wrestling is.