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Old 01-07-2012, 02:12 PM   #941 (permalink)
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Yeah, I mean as you say everything post NWO 2001 is essentially building to the turn, and Rock is really just forced to play a defiant champion and default heel role while Austin's character breaks down with each kickout and JR screaming about just how far will he have to go to beat Rock. The cold eyed facial expressions of shock are extraordinary and the one with blood streaming from his head after Rock kicks out of a stunner is one of my favourites ever.

What I was really trying to say is on last watch some of the brawling/structure seemed a bit off to the point where I thought Austin's character went from just being the icing on a great match, to largely being responsible for the match turning out as well as it did, like if you had someone who isn't as good as Austin playing his character/role then I don't think the brawling, sequences etc would carry the match to 'really great' level.

I still think its a very good match and true to the attitude era style with some more subtle character/story work thrown in, but I do feel its diminished in stature the more I watch it.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:21 PM   #942 (permalink)
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Well Austin was the best wrestler on the planet at that point, so yeah. But I get what you're saying.

I'd probably drop Bret/Perfect a few spots now. Watching it again on the '93 yearbook, I'm not even sure it's a top 30 match for that year worldwide. If I watched it in amongst all of that WWF stuff again I might still put it as high, but I'm not sure. Still think it smokes Bret/Owen from Wrestlemania, though.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:26 PM   #943 (permalink)
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Not got a great memory of Owen/Bret tbh, bar I know for the most part I enjoyed it and dug Owen in particular utilising some good cocky mannerisms. Pretty sure I didn't think it came close to some of the praise I'd seen/heard it get, and thought maybe some of the story/interactions could have been played out better than they were. I mean I'd rank the War Games match featuring Dustin v Bunkhouse Buck (sure I've got the right year) as far better than Owen/Bret, largely down to that lunatic Terry Funk throwing his shoe at his opponent 20 seconds into the match.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:27 PM   #944 (permalink)
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What I was really trying to say is on last watch some of the brawling/structure seemed a bit off to the point where I thought Austin's character went from just being the icing on a great match, to largely being responsible for the match turning out as well as it did, like if you had someone who isn't as good as Austin playing his character/role then I don't think the brawling, sequences etc would carry the match to 'really great' level.
But the fact is that it was Austin, so the brawling and everything else was great. Why analyze the match on something that "might have happened" with another wrestler instead?
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:28 PM   #945 (permalink)
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I read that as more of an observation rather than a criticism.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:33 PM   #946 (permalink)
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But the fact is that it was Austin, so the brawling and everything else was great. Why analyze the match on something that "might have happened" with another wrestler instead?
Tbh I didn't think large chunks of the brawling was great, I think it added to the match and was probably a better way to go than a straight up wrestling match, but yeah I was just remarking that long ago Austin's performance was the icing on top of a great match, the more I've watched it the more my appreciation for Austin's peformance grows but the rest of the match doesn't hold up as well as I remember. Thus I was explaining that but for Austin's performance, I don't think the remaining body of the match could hold it up as being the great match people say it is, whereas a couple of years ago I wouldn't have viewed Austin not being as amazing as he was as affecting the match as much as I do today.

So yeah, could be misguided but I couldn't think of a better reason explanation as to why Austin's character is integral to me still thinking of the match being as good as it is (along with the atmosphere and JR's commentary).
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So the main reasons you liked the match have changed and at the same time you don't like it as much as before?
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:45 PM   #948 (permalink)
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C'mon, this ain't the WWE/TNA section, we can offer a wider interpretation of a match than simply 'not as good as before'.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:56 PM   #949 (permalink)
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? I wasn't attacking your post, I'm just trying to understand it. There's nothing wrong with what you posted.
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Old 01-07-2012, 03:09 PM   #950 (permalink)
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Oh that wasn't meant to be read in a blunt tone, I was joking you should know by now I'll attempt the most lengthy explanation even where a simple one line sentence could suffice
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