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Old 09-05-2011, 06:53 AM   #531 (permalink)
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Jericho/Christian from WM XX is fucking awesome. Don't have it at *****, but pretty close at ****1/2 and the second best match for WM XX too.

And Marty/Doink 1 out of 3 falls is fucking awesome too. Definitely not ***** for me, but still great at ***3/4.

Out of your list I only have 2 of those matches at 5 stars personally lol .
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Jericho/Christian from WM XX is fucking awesome. Don't have it at *****, but pretty close at ****1/2 and the second best match for WM XX too.

And Marty/Doink 1 out of 3 falls is fucking awesome too. Definitely not ***** for me, but still great at ***3/4.

Out of your list I only have 2 of those matches at 5 stars personally lol .
That's fine. Everyone has different opinions, right? I'm sure, at the very least, every match I listed you have at probably at least ***, if not ***1/2.

The reason I liked Marty/Doink so much is because Marty was such a great seller. It gets overlooked a lot. If you watch that again, pay attention to how closely Marty sells the leg injuries. I think Doink even forgot which leg he was working on during the match (or maybe he meant to go for the other leg?), but Marty somehow manages to sell the injuries perfectly to BOTH legs. It's just awesome. That type of wrestling is what I miss so, so much. So I'm sure I over-rated it but it just made me proud to be a fan of both guys.

General wondering, which two matches did you have?

Any chance you could link me to your list? I don't feel like looking through 54 pages since I'm fairly new here, but if you have a link or something, I'd like to see it.

I've seen you post before and I've always felt you're have a great taste in wrestling but are harsher than me. I usually rate my matches (from what I remember) about 1/2* more than you.

Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart from WMX is my favourite match ever. Unexpected finish, great story-telling, and just a pure wrestling classic, IMO.

I'm sure I could probably add another 15-20 matches to the list, but I'd really have to go back and start keeping track of my ratings more often.

London vs. Styles was my first taste of of an Indy Match, so I absolutely loved it. I've seen better matches now, but it's got a soft spot.

Rave vs. Punk brought back so many old school memories, so I just fell in love with that match. Plus, Rave's gimmick is one of the best I've ever seen on the indy circuit.

Jannetty vs. Angle - I was expecting a 5-minute match with a couple of short hope spots for Jannetty. Instead, we got a near 20-minute match with plenty of nearfalls - and even though the finish was obvious, I remember actually buying into the fact that Jannetty could do it. The drama in the match was awesome.

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Out of the matches on your list I've seen (basically all of them aside from the couple of Indy ones lol), I'd have at *** or above... except for maybe DK vs TM and the Bret/Owen cage match .

Doink has a ton of really fun matches from 1993 before Matt Bourne got fired and they replaced him and turned the character face. Some pretty swank matches with Mr Perfect (which I think are overrated, but certainly far from being bad or anything lol) and some random matches with guys you wouldn't expect to have good/fun matches lol. Never realised the original Doink (aka Matt Bourne) was so good until I watched Raw 1993 a couple of years back.

My list (in order too, from best to "worst"):

The Undertaker Vs Shawn Michaels - In Your House 18: Bad Blood 1997
Ric Flair Vs Barry Windham - Battle of the Belts II 1986
Ric Flair Vs Barry Windham - World Wide Wrestling 1987
Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Clash of the Champions VI 1989
Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Wrestle War 1989
The Undertaker Vs Shawn Michaels - WrestleMania 26 2010
Nigel McGuinness Vs Bryan Danielson - Unified 2006
Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Chi Town Rumble 1989
Bret Hart Vs Owen Hart - WrestleMania X 1994
Steve Austin Vs Bret Hart - Survivor Series 1996
Steve Austin Vs Bret Hart - WrestleMania 13 1997
The Undertaker Vs Shawn Michaels - WrestleMania 25 2009
Bret Hart Vs Mr Perfect - SummerSlam 1991
Royal Rumble Match 1992
Kurt Angle Vs Brock Lesnar - Summerslam 2003
The Undertaker Vs Kurt Angle Vs The Rock - Vengeance 2002
Bret Hart Vs Mr Perfect - King of the Ring 1993

Edit: Jannetty/Angle is a match I could really do with watching again. I remember it being pretty good at the time, and I think Marty either DID get a job out of it or was offered one or something, but then his drug habit showed up and WWE had to reconsider.
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Out of the matches on your list I've seen (basically all of them aside from the couple of Indy ones lol), I'd have at *** or above... except for maybe DK vs TM and the Bret/Owen cage match .

Doink has a ton of really fun matches from 1993 before Matt Bourne got fired and they replaced him and turned the character face. Some pretty swank matches with Mr Perfect (which I think are overrated, but certainly far from being bad or anything lol) and some random matches with guys you wouldn't expect to have good/fun matches lol. Never realised the original Doink (aka Matt Bourne) was so good until I watched Raw 1993 a couple of years back.

My list (in order too, from best to "worst"):

The Undertaker Vs Shawn Michaels - In Your House 18: Bad Blood 1997
Ric Flair Vs Barry Windham - Battle of the Belts II 1986
Ric Flair Vs Barry Windham - World Wide Wrestling 1987
Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Clash of the Champions VI 1989
Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Wrestle War 1989
The Undertaker Vs Shawn Michaels - WrestleMania 26 2010
Nigel McGuinness Vs Bryan Danielson - Unified 2006
Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat - Chi Town Rumble 1989
Bret Hart Vs Owen Hart - WrestleMania X 1994
Steve Austin Vs Bret Hart - Survivor Series 1996
Steve Austin Vs Bret Hart - WrestleMania 13 1997
The Undertaker Vs Shawn Michaels - WrestleMania 25 2009
Bret Hart Vs Mr Perfect - SummerSlam 1991
Royal Rumble Match 1992
Kurt Angle Vs Brock Lesnar - Summerslam 2003
The Undertaker Vs Kurt Angle Vs The Rock - Vengeance 2002
Bret Hart Vs Mr Perfect - King of the Ring 1993

Edit: Jannetty/Angle is a match I could really do with watching again. I remember it being pretty good at the time, and I think Marty either DID get a job out of it or was offered one or something, but then his drug habit showed up and WWE had to reconsider.
I love Bret/Perfect from Summerslam. The finish kills it for me though. ****3/4 just because of the fast tap out. I know now why it happened, but it still hurts it slightly to me.

Jannetty did get a contract from that match with Angle. He got a DUI (or had a DUI just before) and was released before he was brought onto TV.

Royal Rumble 1992 match is amazing, but then again I'm not sure if I've ever rated a Royal Rumble match under ****. I love that match. I remember as a kid, I used to rent Royal Rumble 1995 every weekend I'd go to my grandparents. 1995 is one of the worst, but as a kid, I loved it. So essentially I've loved every Royal Rumble (basically) since. I tend to enjoy when the Rumble gets full though, I hate when the ring has no one in it for long periods of time.

Never watched the Windham/Flair matches. And I've never watched the Flair/Steamboat matches with full attention. Every time I've tried to watch Chi-Town Rumble, I get distracted. I really should watch it soon.

Austin vs. Hart from WM was amazing. I had it at ****3/4, but I'm sure I could give it ***** on any day. I've never watched the Survivor Series match.

Angle vs. Lesnar I never watched from Summerslam. Their Wrestlemania match was good though.

Never watched the three way. Surprised to see you rate it that highly over the WMX Triple Threat.

Never seen Nigel vs. Bryan, but I need too. That reminds me that I had the Wolfe/Angle match pretty high from Turning Point (or Final Resolution) at near *****. The second match was only a slightly bit lower.

Taker vs. Michaels at WM was overhyped to the moon before I saw it. I have it at ****1/2, but I have their second encounter which I watched live, at *****. Never seen the other one. The Triple H match this year was NOT anywhere near as good. I can't understand how some people gave that near *****.

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Loved the HHH/Undertaker WM match this year. ****3/4 from me. Wonderful storytelling which is one of the main aspects of pro wrestling I look for in a match, hence my love for the likes of the 1997 HIAC match which I don't think ANY match has ever come close to.

The Triple Threat is probably only really around ****, but fuck me if it isn't one of THE funnest matches in the history of existence for me . I could watch it on a loop for the rest of my life probably .

RR matches are usually always fucking fun. I look forward to that PPV more than WM every year, just because of the Rumble match. There have been some fucking terrible ones (95, 98, 99, 08) but for the most part they are consistently great imo. One of the first things I bought when I got my student loan for Uni was the RR Anthology box set . Twice. But only because they fucked up and sent me two. And charged me for both . Had to send it back .

Angle/Lesnar from SS is imo what their WM match SHOULD have been. Angle was about as healthy as a guy with a BROKEN FREAKIN' NECK could be, and Lesnar wasn't freaking out about the match having time taken from it... and didn't attempt to kill himself with a SSP lol.
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Loved the HHH/Undertaker WM match this year. ****3/4 from me. Wonderful storytelling which is one of the main aspects of pro wrestling I look for in a match, hence my love for the likes of the 1997 HIAC match which I don't think ANY match has ever come close to.

The Triple Threat is probably only really around ****, but fuck me if it isn't one of THE funnest matches in the history of existence for me . I could watch it on a loop for the rest of my life probably .

RR matches are usually always fucking fun. I look forward to that PPV more than WM every year, just because of the Rumble match. There have been some fucking terrible ones (95, 98, 99, 08) but for the most part they are consistently great imo. One of the first things I bought when I got my student loan for Uni was the RR Anthology box set . Twice. But only because they fucked up and sent me two. And charged me for both . Had to send it back .

Angle/Lesnar from SS is imo what their WM match SHOULD have been. Angle was about as healthy as a guy with a BROKEN FREAKIN' NECK could be, and Lesnar wasn't freaking out about the match having time taken from it... and didn't attempt to kill himself with a SSP lol.
I still love the 1995 Rumble. Probably because it was the first I saw. Became a huge Michaels fan when I watched that. Loved the story of the match too (#1 and #2 lasting till the end). Loved Aldo Montoya lasting 10+ minutes. I know it's one of the worst Rumbles, but I still enjoy it.. On the same note, it's hard for me not to like that Rumble either because even though its short, the rest of the card was pretty solid. Diesel/Bret was pretty good. And I have the Sparky Plugg/Kid vs. Tatanka/Bam Bam at ***3/4. Match surprised the fuck out of me.

I just bought the Royal Rumble set about a week ago, brand new, off Amazon for $80 shipped. Best purchase ever. I'm just waiting till I get can the Summerslam set for ~$100. My parents bought me the Wrestlemania set and I bought the two volumes of Survivor Series the moment I saw them. I truly miss Survivor Series matches. What a great way to extend feuds into the Royal Rumble.

No joke, the HHH/Taker match put me to sleep. It was one of the better matches on the show, but I passed right out, lol. Only for like five minutes, but still. I re-watched it after and have it at ***1/4. I like it, but just don't think it's great. I can't even put my finger on exactly why it's not a **** match, but it just doesn't sit with me. Maybe I didn't buy the false finishes like I did in the Michaels/Taker match. I don't know.
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The 1995 PPV is awesome if you exclude the Rumble match. And yeah, that tag match being THAT good was a huge "WTF, where did THAT come from?" lol.

I HATED HHH/Taker when I watched it live. Didn't help that it was like, 3am in the morning (fucking UK times for live PPV's lol...) and my brother stayed over and watched it with me (I don't like my brother, so I wasn't having fun at all lol). Thought it was just a MOVES~! match, until I re-watched it the next day to review the entire event and saw the fucking awesomeness of it lol. Also didn't think much to HBK/Taker from WM 25 when I first saw it. But I was feeling ill that night, ate too much during the first part of the show . Yet strangely enough as soon as WM 26 was over I knew that I thought HBK/Undertaker was ***** and better than the previous year .

I too miss the Survivor Series matches, and yet, I've never seen most of the old ones lol. Haven't seen most of the PPV's until around... fuck, 2000 lol. Only seen the odd match here and there from the ones before it. Got the first 5 or so... maybe I should watch em. Saw like, a 40 minute 16 man one a while back though (think it was 8 tag teams on each team) and it was pretty damn awesome, especially considering it went on that long. If they have a match NEARLY as big as that at SS these days, you could bet your ass that half the guys would be eliminated within about 10 minutes lol.
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My WWE list:

Sgt. Slaughter vs Pat Patterson (MSG 1981, Hardcore Match)
Ric Flair vs Randy Savage (WM8)
Bret Hart vs Owen Hart (WM10)
Bret Hart vs Diesel (Survivor Series 1995)
The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (HIAC) Teh Best WWE Match Ever
Triple H vs Cactus Jack (Royal Rumble 2000)
Kurt Angle vs Steve Austin (SummerSlam 2001)
Edge & Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle & Chris Benoit (No Mercy 2002)
Ric Flair vs Triple H (Taboo Tuesday 2005) I'm probably the only one, lol

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I don't really do the 5 star thing, but Flair vs HHH at Taboo Tuesday is in my top 100 matches of all time. Flair's greatest match in the WWE by far.

I don't think I've seen Slaughter vs Backlund, but I have seen some great Backlund matches.

Bob Backlund's stuff in UWF/NJPW is good. The best Backlund match was against Takada (UWF). He had a real good one against Stansen too, can't remember what promotion it was but it was Japanese.

The best WWF match that had Backlund was when he faced Playboy Buddy Rose. Don't remember the year, but it's about 10 minutes long.




Are you guys making a list some where? Saw someone talking about ranking WCW and WWE matches. If so, where at?



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