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post #461 of 1407 (permalink) Old 09-01-2011, 06:29 PM
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And Taiji does?
What's with the Taiji hate? I've seen 3 matches of the kid and I was impressed by them all. Sure, he's freakin' weird looking and he's got that god awful 8-pack going on, but he brings the goods to the ring.

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I've got the NTV Cup Final that Cactus mentioned at 5*. It's spotty and everything but it's about as great of a spotfest that you'll find. I'm never gonna rewatch though because it's 99% certain I probably wont like it as much when I do, if at all.
In my opinion, if a match isn't as great on a rewatch, it's not a 5 star match. A 5 star match has to be timeless for me.
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I haven't seen Kobashi/Sasaki yet but if it's anything like Kobashi/Akiyama 2004 then I'm not really looking too forward to it.

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Less overkill in Kobashi/Sasaki

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Less overkill in Kobashi/Sasaki
kewl. I'd be fine with 'overkill' if they actually put something in b/w them spots. Like, Cena/Umaga, for an example. Honestly that's borderline spotfest (steel steps into Umaga's head, announce table flop, finish with ropes, monitor on head, Cena fails FU, Cena "Hulks up", GREATEST SAMOAN DROP EVER, etc. etc.) but the stuff in between made it seem a lot more than that. KK/Akiyama felt like bomb, chop, bomb, chop, bomb, chop, chop, chop, chop battle, bomb, bomb, bomb. I don't know where I'm headed with this, I still think it's good. Just not great. Shut up.

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I'm never gonna rewatch though because it's 99% certain I probably wont like it as much when I do, if at all.
lol, I feel the same way about that match and Kobashi vs Akiyama in 04'.

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post #466 of 1407 (permalink) Old 09-01-2011, 07:30 PM
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I once saw Ishimori have a guy in a tombstone and STILL try and turn it into some contrived and 'awesome' move instead of just hitting a freaking piledriver. Marufuji is complete toss whenever I've seen him and really is about as close to being the Angle of Japan as I can find. I get why people love him though and that's perfectly fine but I just can't find someone so obviously relying on his athleticism to cover up his flaws that good of a worker. The minute his body breaks down he'll be fucked and I doubt he'll be able to evolve and reinvent himself like Mysterio did. That's the true sign of an intelligent worker mixed with unrivalled athleticism.

Also whoever it was that said there was no drama in Kobashi vs Sasaki, McQueen covered it well. They definitely over did the chop battle but it was a spot people were expecting because of how chops played a big part in both guy's offence and it being a top AJPW/NOAH guy vs a top NJPW guy in a dream made the spectacle that much more engrossing. The Warrior vs Hogan test of strength spot is an excellent comparison.

Like I said though, fuck the pair of them for popularising that spot to the point where heavyweights/juniors in Japan and the Indies are trying to replicate the same exchange all the pissing time and killing whatever drama and intrigue the exchange ever had.
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I love Kobashi/Sasaki, it's a hella fun match to watch, but it isn't near 5 stars IMO. Kobashi/Akiyama however I thought was amazing, and there was more drama in it than Kobashi/Sasaki, even if there is more overkill, but I thought it worked. The suplex to the floor in that match is fucking ridiculous, Kobashi actually spits blood after the spot, and the next time they went out to the apron I literally said to myself 'For fucks sake, not again', but in a good way lol.
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What's with the Taiji hate? I've seen 3 matches of the kid and I was impressed by them all. Sure, he's freakin' weird looking and he's got that god awful 8-pack going on, but he brings the goods to the ring.
He was fine back when he was tagging with KENTA when KENTA was fucking awesome. Then they stopped tagging, he started tagging with lesser guys and working singles matches and it began to show how how very average of a worker he is. Plus he entered that body-building contest and began looking ... odd. I hate the tombstone spot that he does as well but in his defense a lot of people throw tombstone spots out there like it's nothing (and to be fair that's always been the case, even in the 80's when piledrivers were tossed out like a regular move).

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In my opinion, if a match isn't as great on a rewatch, it's not a 5 star match. A 5 star match has to be timeless for me.
True but I prefer my opinion of it being an amazing match rather than watching it again and it not being so, largely due to my tastes changing a lot since then.
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lol, I feel the same way about that match and Kobashi vs Akiyama in 04'.
Not sure I'd dislike Kobashi/Akiyama if I watched it today. The big spots that they do are fucking great and it's kinda controlled and they have the atmosphere to make up for it being a bit spot heavy but I still remember it being a great match regardless of the spots.

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I haven't seen Kobashi/Sasaki yet but if it's anything like Kobashi/Akiyama 2004 then I'm not really looking too forward to it.
It's not.

Kobashi v Takayama is better than both of them, though.
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