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**Cactus** · 09-01-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TelkEvolon

No Kobashi/Sasaki from NOAH?

Haven't seen all of it. I've heard it's just a chopfest though.

**WOOLCOCK** · 09-01-2011, 09:34 AM

The chop exchange does go needlessly long but they still work the whole drama of the exchange much better than the rest of the fucktards who've copied it ever since and have killed the spot.

Kobashi is a guy I've always loved as a worker (more so in the 90s) but he's up there with Eddie now in helping popularise a spot that has become one of the things I hate in matches. In Eddie's case, he and Malenko popularised that bullshit 'we're equals' opening matwork exchange which you seen in 95% of independent matches nowadays.

bigbuxxx · 09-01-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Segunda Caida

The chop exchange does go needlessly long but they still work the whole drama of the exchange.

there's no drama. i was sitting there thinking "when the fuck will this garbage exchange end". the beginning and end weren't much better either. match is not close to 5 stars.

**Seabs** · 09-01-2011, 02:43 PM

I can see why people wouldn't love the match if they weren't into the chop exchange but in the same light that was the same reason why I loved it so much.

**McQueen** · 09-01-2011, 04:16 PM

The chop battle was important because you have two guys known for throwing wicked hard chops having a first time ever dream match and in a sense it was a puro equivelent of the Hogan/Warrior test of strength battle at WM 6. That being said I agree they over did it. Otherwise I thought the atmosphere, and the way the rest of the match was worked was great.

**Cactus** · 09-01-2011, 04:22 PM

I'm on the verge of giving KENTA & Taiji Ishimori vs Kota Ibushi & Naomichi Marufuji ***** based solely on the last 10 minutes. That shit was wack. I couldn't get into it though until near the end. I'll give it a re-watch before the doing the rating.

**McQueen** · 09-01-2011, 04:34 PM

Marufuji in a ***** match does not compute.

**TelkEvolon** · 09-01-2011, 04:43 PM

KENTA/Ishimori vs Aoki/Ibushi from 2009 is one of my favoirte tag matches. There is just something about it that I always enjoy so much.

**Seabs** · 09-01-2011, 04:48 PM

I've got the NTV Cup Final that Cactus mentioned at 5*. It's spotty and everything but it's about as great of a spotfest that you'll find. I'm never gonna rewatch though because it's 99% certain I probably wont like it as much when I do, if at all.

Fighter Daron · 09-01-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by McQueen

Marufuji in a ***** match does not compute.

And Taiji does?