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post #401 of 1407 (permalink) Old 08-25-2011, 05:27 PM
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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

Misawa & Kawada are the only guys I'd put above Flair right now, maybe not even. You always think you've pretty much seen the best of Flair and five more great matches pop up out of nowhere. You have NEVER seen the best of Flair.

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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

It's way too difficult for me to rank puro guys and NA guys. My puro Top 3 is Misawa, Jumbo, Kawada and the NA top 3 is Flair, Funk and Benoit.

No idea how to put one over the other, it's like Sophie's Choice

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I would love too see that list, just so I can gave some Flair matches too watch.
Segunda already did a great shortlist of Flair matches with links. I'm way too lazy to search for the dates so I don't know if posting the list would be any good .

Spoiler for :
Steamboat
Dusty
Harley
Jack Brisco
Terry Funk
Jerry Lawler
Luger
Sting
Vader
Orton
Michaels
Ronnie Garvin
Ricky Morton
Randy Savage
HHH
Taker
Magnum T.A
Ted DiBiase
Jake The Snake
Wahoo
Carlos Colon
Butch Reed
Kerry Von Erich
Kevin Von Erich
David Von Erich
Chris Adams
Eddie Guerrero
Hawk
Steiner
Jumbo
Brody
Foley
Koloff
Koko Ware
Windham
Terry Taylor
Curt Hennig
Mutoh
Bret
Eaton

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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

Flair might make my top 50.

Yes I know that sounds crazy to most but I'm not much of a Flair fan and the Flair flop is one of the dumbest thing's in wrestling ever.

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It's way too difficult for me to rank puro guys and NA guys. My puro Top 3 is Misawa, Jumbo, Kawada and the NA top 3 is Flair, Funk and Benoit.

No idea how to put one over the other, it's like Sophie's Choice



Segunda already did a great shortlist of Flair matches with links. I'm way too lazy to search for the dates so I don't know if posting the list would be any good .

Spoiler for :
Steamboat
Dusty
Harley
Jack Brisco
Terry Funk
Jerry Lawler
Luger
Sting
Vader
Orton
Michaels
Ronnie Garvin
Ricky Morton
Randy Savage
HHH
Taker
Magnum T.A
Ted DiBiase
Jake The Snake
Wahoo
Carlos Colon
Butch Reed
Kerry Von Erich
Kevin Von Erich
David Von Erich
Chris Adams
Eddie Guerrero
Hawk
Steiner
Jumbo
Brody
Foley
Koloff
Koko Ware
Windham
Terry Taylor
Curt Hennig
Mutoh
Bret
Eaton

Thanks for the list of oppenents, never even knew he had a match with Brody :P. And I agree, ranking puro guys to NA guys is pretty hard. My top three puro would be Kobashi,Misawa and Kawada with my top three NA guys as Flair, Benoit and pretty much a tie between HBK and Savage.
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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

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I don't understand how Flair can be called one of the all time great workers though.
Terrific structurer of a match: Check
Versatile in numerous forms of wrestling: Check
Terrific heel worker and terrific face worker who could work a crowd like no other: Check
Brilliant bumper and seller: Check
Got numerous good matches out of mediocre talent, great matches out of very good workers and all time classics with the sensational workers: Check
Consistently entertaining in 40 minute plus matches, and able to display brilliant selling and also adding unique selling touches that most workers wouldn't think of? Check
Guy with the greatest catalogue of matches ever bar Misawa? Check
Terrific storyteller who perfected the touring heel champ formula in how to make hometown territory stars look like credible NWA champions? Check


Honestly without trying to sound like some bitter Flair mark, simply saying 'he isn't that good' without making the time and effort to explain what about him you don't care for, or what you feel beter workers did that Flair didn't comes off poorly on your part. I've got no problem with anyone not caring for the guy or thinking he's overrated so long as they can at least put forward a well argued point and explain their reasoning: the same I do when I say I think Kurt Angle bar maybe 10-15 matches in his career has been a really poor professional wrestling worker.

Antoniomare007: sensational list there buddy. I'm shattered for tonight but will make some attempt tomorrow to attempt to add to that list if you haven't covered everything already.

Misawa, Kawada, Lawler, Funk & Tenryu would be workers I'd put on Flair's level, Steamboat could be there as well along with Rey on any given day.



EDIT: best Steamboat vs Flair match for me is COTC, followed by Chi Town, then the 2 House Show matches on the same day and finally Wrestlewar. Although calling one of their matches 'the weakest' is still not taking away from a match which is still a classic/sensational match.

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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

If you like 80s wrestling, there is no reason why you would not love Ric Flair. He is brilliant. In terms of collections of excellent matches, no one is on his level and that includes Misawa. Ric Flair has wrestled the whos who of Pro Wrestling, and more than not has had a memorable moment wrestling with that said individual. It's really a shame that a lot of his work has been lost, because there was surely a lot of great matches that we'll never get to see.

The only person that I have around Flair is HBK. And even then, that's just because HBK's big matches are ridiculously epic. That's HBK's talent, he can make a match that isn't all that great, seem a lot more important than it is. That's why he's so good, but 2000's Michaels couldn't really wrestle small time matches and what not. But during the 90s, Michaels was probably the best wrestler I've ever seen.

If I had to make a top 3 in NA, it would likely be

1) Michaels
2) Flair (Flair could be #1, I've been pretty low on Michaels recently)
3) Funk (who recently bumped Lawler out of the 3 spot for me)


For Japan, it would likely go

1) Kawada
2) Kobashi
3) Taue

And yeah, I know Taue might catch a lot of people off guard. He was a bum during the 80s, but in the 90s that guy was excellent. Had more character than most guys in All Japan. People forget that this guy was one half of the arguably the greatest tag team of all time.
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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

Here is my list:

Flair vs Steamboat, CotC VI
Flair vs Funk, CotC IX
Jumbo vs Tenryu, 89
Hansen vs Kobashi, 93
Holy Demon Army vs Kobashi/Misawa, 93 and 95
Bret vs Owen, SummerSlam, 94
Sasuke vs Benoit, 94
Kawada vs Misawa, 94
Bret vs Austin, WM 13
5 on 5, Kaientaï DX vs M-Pro Sekigun, 96 (for me it's the best junior match EVER)
Kawada vs Misawa, 97 (the Ganso Bomb one)
Kawada vs Kobashi, 98 (for the Triple Crown)
Angle vs Benoit, RR 2003
Kobashi vs Misawa, 2003
Tenzan vs Akiyama, G1 Finals 2003
Kawada vs Hashimoto, 2004
Kobashi vs Akiyama, 2004
Kobashi/Shiozaki vs Sasaki/Nakajima, 2005
Joe vs Kobashi, 2005
Joe vs Daniels vs AJ, 2005
Flair vs HBK, WM 24
Taker vs HBK, WM 26
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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

Sorry to deviate, but how many matches did Funk and Lawler have in Memphis, I love the match I saw in 31/3/81, plus the empty arena match. Also which are their best matches together? Ive become an even bigger fan of Funk now, hes so versatile, there was a match he had with Flair in 81 (which I didnt know existed) that is completely dissimilar to their epic brawls in 89.
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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

I only know of the 2 matches in 81, Empty Arena and the 21/3 NO DQ match. Lawler does have a good match vs Dory though in between the 2 Terry matches. There could be more between them but those are the only 2 I instantly recall. They're supposed to be wrestling at some indy show on October 1st though in a NO DQ match, I think Finlay vs Eddie Edwards is also on the card.

If you haven't seen it I recommend Terry & Dory vs Hansen & Gordy, AJPW 31/8/1983, Terry's 1st retirement tag. He and Hansen are incredible in the match.

I'll be watching the Empty Arena match soon, if it tops the NO DQ match then it will be incredible because I have that at ****3/4
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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

Cool thanks, I remember hearing a interview from Jim Cornette where he said that the no dq match with Funk and Lawler was his favorite match. Theres nothing flashy but their timing, intensity and realism elevate that match to greatness
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