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**tboneangle** · 07-27-2011, 12:33 PM

Any recomendations for me to watch from ROH or Indy? I know i may have seen Misawa vs Kawada but im not sure

**Clique** · 07-27-2011, 12:36 PM

Nick Bockwinkel vs. Curt Hennig - AWA Championship Wrestling 11/15/1986

Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat - NWA/WCW Chi-Town Rumble 1989
Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat - NWA/WCW Clash Of The Champions 1989
Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat - NWA/WCW WrestleWar 1989

Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart - WWF WrestleMania X
Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin (Submission Match) - WWF WrestleMania 13
Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (Mask vs. Title) - WCW Halloween Havoc 1997
Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker (Hell In A Cell Match) - WWF Badd Blood 1997

Edge & Rey Mysterio vs. Kurt Angle & Chris Benoit (Tournament Finals) - WWE No Mercy 2002
Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit - WWE Royal Rumble 2003
Triple H vs. Chris Benoit vs. Shawn Michaels - WWE WrestleMania XX
Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels - WWE WrestleMania XXV
Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels (Streak vs. Career) - WWE WrestleMania XXVI

Goatlord · 07-27-2011, 12:47 PM

I have never given a ***** rating in my life, ****1/2+ is as high as it gets (Misawa/Kawada Triple Crown 1994), matches like Taker/Michaels 1,2, Joe/Punk and Punk/Cena are ****1/4 matches and most other stuff is below. Then again I'm trying to be realistic, a ***** match needs to have 100% perfect storytelling, and incredibly flashy, demanding movesets mixed up with a match flow and pacing that makes you dive into the experience so much that you think it's a shoot. So yeah, no ***** matches from me.

geraldinhio · 07-27-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatlord

I have never given a ***** rating in my life, ****1/2+ is as high as it gets (Misawa/Kawada Triple Crown 1994), matches like Taker/Michaels 1,2, Joe/Punk and Punk/Cena are ****1/4 matches and most other stuff is below. Then again I'm trying to be realistic, a ***** match needs to have 100% perfect storytelling, and incredibly flashy, demanding movesets mixed up with a match flow and pacing that makes you dive into the experience so much that you think it's a shoot. So yeah, no ***** matches from me.

I stopped reading when ya said a match has to be incredibly flashy to be 5 stars .

Just off the top of my head .

CM Punk vs Samoa Joe ROH Joe vs Punk 2 .
Undertaker vs Shawn Micheals -WWE Wrestlemania 26
Tyler Black and Bryan Danielson vs Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards - ROH tag title classic
Bryan Danielson vs Nigel McGuinness -ROH Unified
El Generico vs Kevin Steen - ROH fight without Honor Final Battle
Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio - Mask vs Title
Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk NWA Clash Of The Champions
Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat NWA Wrestlewar

Not gonna name much more as i'll just be repeating matches allready said . Didn't see Rey Misterio Jr, Winners and Super Calo vs Psicosis, Heavy Metal and El Picudo from AAA on anyones list . Probably my favourite Lucha match ever .

Matt Flash · 07-27-2011, 03:01 PM

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Cutting all of these off would be a start:

-Rob Van Dam(c) vs Jerry Lynn,ECW TV Title,ECW Hardcore Heaven 1999

-The Rock(c) vs Steve Austin,WWF Title,NO DQ,WWF WrestleMania X-Seven

-Kurt Angle vs Shane Mcmahon,Street Fight,WWF King Of The Ring 2001

-Kurt Angle vs Steve Austin(c),WWF Title,WWF Unforgiven 2001

-Shawn Michaels vs Triple H,Street Fight,WWE Summerslam 2002

-Brock Lesnar(c) vs The Undertaker,WWE Title,Hell In A Cell,WWE No Mercy 2002

-Kurt Angle(c) vs Brock Lesnar,WWE Title,Level Playing Field,WWE WrestleMania XIX

-Kurt Angle(c) vs Brock Lesnar,WWE Title,WWE Summerslam 2003

-Kurt Angle(c) vs Brock Lesnar,WWE Title,60 Minute Iron Man Match,WWE Smackdown 9-18-2003

-Brock Lesnar(c) vs Eddie Guerrero,WWE Title,WWE No Way Out 2004

-Randy Orton(c) vs Cactus Jack,WWE IC Title,Hardcore Match,WWE Backlash 2004

-AJ Styles vs Chris Sabin vs Petey Williams(c),TNA X Title,Ultimate X,TNA Final Resolution 2005

-AJ Styles(c) vs Christopher Daniels,TNA X Title,30 Minute Iron Man Match,TNA Against All Odds 2005

-Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels,WWE WrestleMania 21

-John Cena(c) vs JBL,WWE Title,I Quit,WWE Judgment Day 2005

-AJ Styles vs Matt Hardy,IWC 7-29-2005

-Kurt Angle(c) vs The Undertaker,WWE WHC,WWE No Way Out 2006

-Kurt Angle vs AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe vs Christain Cage vs ???,TNA World Title(First),KOM,TNA Slammiversary 2007

-Kurt Angle(c) vs Yuji Nagata,IGF Title,Tokyo Dome Show 1-4-2008

-Kurt Angle(c) vs Samoa Joe,TNA Title vs Career,Cage,TNA Lockdown 2008

-Kurt Angle vs Jeff Jarrett,NO DQ,TNA Genesis 2009

-Kurt Angle vs Matt Morgan,TNA Bound For Glory 2009

-Kurt Angle vs AJ Styles(c),TNA Title,TNA Impact 1-4-2010

-Kurt Angle vs Mr Anderson,Cage,Escape Only,TNA Lockdown 2010

-MCMG(c) vs Beer Money,2/3 Falls,TNA Tag Titles,TNA Whole F'N Show

-AJ Styles vs Bully Ray,Last Man Standing,TNA Slammiversary IX 2011

Not that anyone's opinion is WRONG, but Angle/HBK, HBK/HHH, Orton/Cactus and Rock/Austin are all so good that I don't see how you could offer those up to the chopping block. The rest are clearly personal preference, and while I don't agree with them, he's not WRONG for liking a match too much. Hell I wish I wasn't so cynical anymore and could sit back and just enjoy more wrestling than I do these days.

Goatlord · 07-27-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by geraldinhio

I stopped reading when ya said a match has to be incredibly flashy to be 5 stars .

I love people who take simple statements out of context...

jawbreaker · 07-27-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Flash

Not that anyone's opinion is WRONG, but Angle/HBK, HBK/HHH, Orton/Cactus and Rock/Austin are all so good that I don't see how you could offer those up to the chopping block. The rest are clearly personal preference, and while I don't agree with them, he's not WRONG for liking a match too much. Hell I wish I wasn't so cynical anymore and could sit back and just enjoy more wrestling than I do these days.

It's been a very long time since I watched all of those, so I don't think my opinion is super valid. I didn't think any were five stars when I watched them in like 2007, except maybe Rock/Austin, which I did rewatch about a year and a half ago and liked significantly less.

But any opinion that says Angle/AJ from the 1/4/10 Impact was five stars is so incredibly wrong that it wouldn't be worth my time trying to reason with it.

Yeah1993 · 07-27-2011, 05:10 PM

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great lists im starting to think i have too many on mine lol

I wouldn't worry about that. Dave Meltzer has over 60 now I think and some pretty much hold his opinion as a Messiah or something. if you thought all of those were five then no one should make you change any of them. Unless you really want to, then this post was useless and I'm typing for nothing.

**TelkEvolon** · 07-27-2011, 05:16 PM

ROH: Eddie Edwards & Davey Richards vs Tyler Black & Bryan Danielson - Tag Title Classic

R.Scorpio · 07-27-2011, 05:51 PM

some real great lists here. I want to add because i dont think anyone has said it but Nigel/Aries Rising Above for me would just about have to be the best ROH match ever in my opinion. The psychology and storytelling was fantastic on top of a well wrestled match, with many flashpoints as well as the added x-factor (that i feel 5 star matches need) with Nigel's concussion and watching Aries have no mercy. Edge of my seat the whole way through.

Add Morishima/Danielson from MM 2 to that as well.