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Old 08-23-2011, 07:12 PM   #351 (permalink)
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has anyone seen strong vs danielson from vendetta 2005 bc i just saw that and holy shit that was perfect and a 5 star match and maybe even the top 5 matches i have ever seen
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:14 PM   #352 (permalink)
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Thats my favorite ROH match ever. Not sure i'd call it the best though, I might give that honor to Danielson/McGuinness at the 6th (or is it 7th?) Anniversary show.
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Yeah McQueen its 6th Anniversary Show.

Dragon vs Strong Vendetta is agonisingly close to the full 5, reminded me of a classic Flair title defence.
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Yeah I have that Dragon/Strong match at **** 89/100th's

The finish was epically awesome too since I believe its the first time Danielson had to resort to that move. I was kinda upset when it became his regular finisher because it put guys over big time the first couple times he had to resort to the elbows, case in point Jimmy Rave at the 4th Anniversary Show. Its actually my biggest complaint about Danielson's work, almost like he gave into the crowd and indulged them too much. By the end of 2007 it was just like a regular move. Although I think it would be good if WWE let him start using that maneuver seeing as they're doing their best to make him look non-threatening on commentary.
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Yeah I felt that way as well, seeing him bloody McGuinness in Unified and then hit those elbows was a tremendous visual. I did at least dig him trying to use them in combo with Cattle Mutilation but yeah I think he did slowly fall into pleasing the fans too much and letting them almost dictate some of his matches. I understand that by 2009 he'd essentially faced everyone there was to face in ROH but I thought it was noticeable how his match structure had altered to more of a puro BattlARTS style instead of the heavy European matwork style he employed during his 05-08 run.

Personally I always loved the odd time he'd beat someone by reversing Cattle Mutilation into that little cradle pin, always seemed like a great move to beat someone by through intelligence when all else failed.

Also I'm pretty sure there's 1 more match I know I've given the full 5 to and seem to have forgotten it. Ahhhhh it was Blue Panther vs Atlantis 1991, not a clue how I forgot it, probably the match that got me into Lucha Libre.

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damn, I'm not sure If I have watched that Flair vs Wahoo 2/3 falls match...do you have the exact date Segunda? I've never been a huge fan of Wahoo/Flair matches but I felt the same about Brody/Flair and all of a sudden they had a fucking classic 2/3 falls match...I wonder if the same can happen with Wahoo.

And Danielson changed the deadlyness of the elbows to kicking fucking heads in from time to time. If anything, the guy was able to introduce a bunch of finishers (chickenwing, triangle, triangle+elbows) so the crowd didn't get so used to his matches. I agree that by 2009 his matches were mostly the same, but considering his style and the same opponentes he had over and over again, the fact that he was able to still be fresh in 07' and 08' is remarcable. I still wish ROH would have let him be a heel again and have amazing performances like in the 2008 16 Carat Gold Tournament.
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Yeah Danielson's puro esque protection of his finishers was always something I dug about the guy. TBH his 2009 may have just been him trying to reinvent himself and his style given how he'd run through everyone in the promotion. Then again he's slowly been delving into MMA and striking ability so maybe he just decided to mix it up and change the style to keep his act fresh. The guy is still one of my absolute favorites.


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There's Flair vs McDaniel 2/3 falls, I think its 2nd September 1985 so '9/2/85' in USA.

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Ric Flair vs Wahoo McDaniel, NWA Title, CWF Battle Of The Belts, 2/3 falls, 02/09/1985

The ref in this (Bill Alfonso) looks suspiciously like Mickey Pearce off of Only Fools & Horses, I think I'm in love with the match already.

First fall here is really really terrific stuff. Probably one of my most favourite falls in any 2/3 falls match I've seen. Flair is ruling it as the biggest piece of trash to hit Florida and really comes across like some Actor who got nominated for 1 Oscar who suddenly thinks he's Robert Duval. He's pushing the ref and lecturing him on how to do his job, jostling with fans who think he sucks and there's this great spot where Flair's working over the left arm and yells at the camera man to get out of his face and he won't warn him again. Aside from Flair kicking ass as a character the in ring work is superb. They build McDaniel's chops to be lethal and the early opening has Flair constantly getting bested in the chop exchanges and regularly bailing to the floor. This all builds to McDaniel having an answer for everything Flair throws and a drop toe hold leads to him working over Flair's leg. Flair lets out an epic scream and despite the hold only beinng used for maybe 45 seconds Flair sells the leg better than most guys will sell 5 minute workovers these days. He limps after each step, takes his time in the corner to pull himself up, shakes the leg when he's working over McDaniel's arm and there's this amazing spot where he snapmares McDaniel, deliberately gets off the ground carefully and then misses an elbow drop instead of the patented kneedrop I was expecting.

Flair's desperation leads to him getting incredibly violent throughout the fall, first with some nasty boots to the stomach of McDaniel before throwing him to the floor and smashing his shoulder into the ring post. From here Flair's workover of the arm is sensational, he has some unique submissions we never see him bust out as well as some subtle touches such as an awesome quirk where he has McDaniel in a hammerlock on the mat and he starts working over the fingers of McDaniel at the same time. He's always looking to cheat as well at any opportunity and the crowd response is terrific. Flair makes a mistake though again in trying to go toe-to-toe with McDaniel and pays for it dearly as McDaniel locks in an insanely awesome headlock/sleeper submission and Flair is terrific at frantically grabbing at the ropes before slowly collapsing to the mat and being pinned. Incredible opening to the match which really put over McDaniel as a star and had a Lucha feel to the fall in terms of giving McDaniel great momentum into the second fall and making Flair's desperation to come back all the more greater.

Second fall honestly may be just as good if I'm honest. Flair's selling off the sleeper from the last fall is great early on with him constantly having to shake off the cobwebs and get focused. McDaniel even attempts the sleepr again and Flair flies to the ropes with everything he has, just immaculate in putting over the sleeper as a move he can't escape. The way he paces the fall and tries to move into a better position really reminded me of Fujiwara who is probably the best defensive wrestler of all time. Even the simplest of lock ups just came across as Flair trying to think two steps ahead of McDaniel and find some way of regaining the momentum. He truly came across as 'The Man' in this fall. He sells the leg extremely well in it affecting him to the point where he's not 100% but still comes across as something he's capable of fighting through to retain the belt.

He regains the advantage after McDaniel blasts him with a hellacious chop which sends Flair spiralling to the floor. Flair catches the leg and sets about tearing it out of its socket. He rams it into the post, stamps on it (and immediately sells the left leg on impact) and then there's a ridiculously awesome spot where Flair goes for an elbow drop, leans all the way back for maximum impact...but pauses because his leg is affected by it! Immense selling and detail from this genius. Flair's also quick to play the arrogant prick from the first fall by constantly arguing with the ref over a slow count. The finish is actually quite good. Flair has slowly become more aggressive because McDaniel has been able to survive the figure four including one sweet reversal by holding onto Flair's left leg and attempting to twist it to break the hold. Flair busts McDaniel open and then after a ref bump and a bridge backslide from Wahoo, Flair snaps and rams McDaniel's head off the ring post twice before bringing him into the ring and finishing him off with a very impactful knee drop. It was a typical 80s finish that would probably give fans heart attacks these days in how simple it was but I had no mither with it, everything built well to it and Flair was amazing throughout.

Must say as well the commentary between Solie & Graham is a joy to behold in putting over both men and the in ring action as well as the various strategies employed by both men. There's no WWE 2011 bullshit commentary with such wit as 'McDaniel's love for the NWA belt is only bettered by his love of fried foods'.

Third fall is surprising short but it still awesome. Both men sell the damage from going 45 minutes and McDaniel takes it upon himself to return the favour and have Flair bleed like a stuffed pig. They tease the sleeper again and Flair appears to have no answer for the hold and fights for all his life, McDaniel is pissed and wants to choke him out and his anger gets the best of him as Flair with all his might kicks off of the corner turnbuckle and collapses to the mat with McDaniel having a rear naked choke applied but unaware his shoulders have been counted to 3 on the mat!! A part of me would have preferred a more drawn out finishing fall but I still loved McDaniel seemingly being thrown off of his game by Flair's actions and inadvertantly costing himself the match along with putting over Flair as a man who values the NWA Championship above all. Perhaps a more drawn out 3rd fall would see this going the full 5* but as of now its a freaking awesome match but just not at the level of Flair vs Kerry or the other 80s gems from Flair's locker.

****1/2-****3/4

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I'd love what the WWE naysayers would think if they had Danielson take out Mark Henry with the boots of death. It would be so great since Henry looks like the fucking man as of late.

Or even better he could stomp some "entertaining" into Wade Boring's character.
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May as well add mine, some matches could probably do with a rewatch though:

WWF/E:

Slaughter vs Sheik MSG, BootCamp Match 1984
Hart vs Austin WM 13
HBK vs Taker HIAC 1997

NWA/Mid South:

Flair vs Steamboat Chi Town 1989
Flair vs Steamboat COTC 1989
Flair vs Windham BOTB II
Windham vs Murdoch UWF 11/7/1987
Steamboat/Youngblood vs Kernodle/Slaughter, Final Conflict, Steel Cage 1983

Memphis:

Jerry Lawler vs Bill Dundee, Loser Leaves Town 30/12/85

Lucha:

El Satanico vs Gran Cochisse 1984
Blue Panther vs Atlantis 1991
Damiancito El Guerrero vs Cicloncito Ramirez 1997
Bracito De Oro/Cicloncito Ramirez/Mascarita Magica vs Damiancito El Guerrero/El Fierito/Pierrothito, 1997

Puro:

NJPW Gauntlet 5/1/86
Misawa vs Jumbo Rematch
Misawa/Kobashi/Kawada vs Jumbo/Taue/Fuchi 20/4/91
Misawa/Kobashi/Kawada vs Jumbo/Taue/Fuchi 22/5/92
Misawa & Kobashi vs Taue & Kawada 3/12/1993
Misawa vs Kawada 6/3/94
Misawa & Kobashi vs Kawada & Taue 6/9/95
Carl Greco vs Yuki Ishikawa BattlARTS 2008
Volk Han vs Tamura RINGS 22/1/1997

ROH:

Danielson vs McGuinness Unified
Danielson vs Morishima FWH Final Battle 2008

Got numerous matches on the brink of *****, Benoit vs Austin Edmonton 2001, Flair vs Wahoo McDaniel 2/3 Falls 85, Flair vs Windham Hawaii 10/12/85, Dandy vs Casas 1992, Funk vs Flair GAB 1989, Magnum TA vs Tully Blanchard 1985, Tully Blanchard vs Ron Garvin 5/3/86, Danielson vs Strong Vendetta, Punk vs Joe II, Cena vs HBK Mania 23, Danielson vs Nigel 6th Anniversary Show, Eddie vs Rey 23/6/2005, Kawada vs Hansen 2/28/93, Kobashi vs Misawa 20/1/1997, El Hijo Del Santo vs Blue Panther Monterrey 2000, Dory & Terry Funk vs Hansen & Gordy and quite a lot of others I've forgotten.

MS-1 vs Sangre Chicana 1983 may be the next one on my list, going to rewatch in the near future and am expecting to love it even more than last time.

Is that the NJPW vs UWF gauntlet? If so, do you think you can hook it up with a link?

Also, for that Volk Han vs Tamura match. Is that the match where they met in the finals of that world tournament?
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A part of me wanted Bryan to beat Miz to win his first World Title in the company as I figured they could pair those two off as constant rivals.

I really do want to see Henry tap out to Bryan (preferrably with one of them bleeding), Bryan or Sheamus need to be the one to take out Henry and gain his momentum instead of making Orton an even bigger star ahead of the rest.

Problem for Bryan is he has numerous people he can work good matches with up until Mania but bar Henry there isn't anyone on Smackdown who he could feud with and feed off of their heat and ability to get the crowd wrapped up in the feud. Christian is a possibility but I want him back as a face worker asap now that Rey is injured, we need good face workers dammit.


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Also, for that Volk Han vs Tamura match. Is that the match where they met in the finals of that world tournament?
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NZUKAGF5

That's the only link I can find atm sorry, its not the whole match but the final 4 participants. Seabs should be as good a person to ask for a link, or Kawada=god as he has quite the assortment of Puro footage.

Yeah I think the Volk Han vs Tamura match is a final or some tournament, its their second match. And its on youtube.


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