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**McQueen** · 07-31-2011, 01:18 PM

Kikuchi owns.

**Bubz** · 07-31-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent By Design

I used to think Mankind vs Undertaker wasn't anything special, but from top to bottom it does give you quite a unique atmosphere. Listening to the commentary, and putting yourself back in 97 you have to respect that everyone was thinking Undertaker really killed Mankind. You really don't think that too often in wrestling, especially in WWE. It's not on my top 100 matches or anything, but I respect people who think it is a good match.

25/5/92 with Kobashi and that little Japanese dude is a great tag match. I watched it nearly a week ago, and the crowd is so hyped for it it's hard not to enjoy it.

Yeah I can see why people love it so much, and the spots will always be remembered.

Lol! Little Japanese dude.

**Cactus** · 07-31-2011, 01:34 PM

The Kobashi and Kikuchi tag match is epic. 2nd best tag match of all time. (No.1 being Misawa/Kobashi vs Taue/Kawada from '95)

Mankind vs 'Taker in the cell gets 5 stars from me too. I used to think the same as the user above, but there is much more to it than that.

flag sabbath · 07-31-2011, 01:50 PM

I remember watching Taker vs Mankind in '98 & just feeling wrong about the whole thing. It's disturbing & fascinating that a guy would put himself through that (with his employer's approval no less), but I lost all interest in it as a match after the first bump.

Just watched the Kasai vs. Ito match out of sheer curiosity (& as a break from a weekend of '90s AJPW goodness). By death match standards it was very good & the crowd surely loved it, but between the moments of insanity, the wrestling was fairly pedestrian. From what little I've seen, it strikes me that too many death match wrestlers aren't particularly intense brawlers - they just plod from one set up to the next.

Whoever rated Kobashi & Kikuchi vs the Can-Ams ***1/2 obviously watched it with the sound off & his head in the ground. It's the greatest match with no back story I've seen.

antoniomare007 · 07-31-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by McQueen

Am I the only one who thinks the Mankind/Taker HiaC isn't anything special? Once you've seen the two big spots from the match and strip it down all you have is about 5 minutes of two guys punching each other.

...the fuck? YOU are complaining about wrestlers just punching each other?

and that match has plenty of other memorable stuff...Taker getting hit with a chair in mid air after doing a suicide dive or the thumbtacks spot. And getting over the fact that Foley is one crazy ass mofo.

I don't consider that match to be "GOAT" material but it is a lot more than just 2 big spots.

Also, after all this All Japan talk. We need an Akira Fukuzawa appreciation thread. I was watching Misawa vs Terry Gordy 91' for the nth time and still laugh my ass off when Misawa puts Gordy on a facelock and we get this from Fukuzawa:

"ITAA IIITAAAAA FAAACEE LOOOOOOCK!!!
FAAAAAAAAAAAAACEEEELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

**Big Z** · 07-31-2011, 01:56 PM

I still really like Undertaker/mankind HIAC. A MOTYC (lets face it, 1998 wasn't filled with many great matches when it comes to NA wrestling) no doubt, but I wouldn't consider it to be a GOAT match at all. And I definitely think its more than just 2 spots, since, you know, they actually do stuff AFTER the two spots...

JoeRulz · 07-31-2011, 03:33 PM

Kobashi vs. Takayama (NOAH 9/24/2004) is a five star match. Just sayin'.

**D'Angelo** · 07-31-2011, 04:19 PM

This thread is fucking awesome

Only complaint is that it's a little 90s AJPW heavy, 93 was a good year for the main event scene but the undercard was always a little weak. Late 80s-late 90s was apparently consistently good too.

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Originally Posted by McQueen

Am I the only one who thinks the Mankind/Taker HiaC isn't anything special? Once you've seen the two big spots from the match and strip it down all you have is about 5 minutes of two guys punching each other.

I hate it when people say this, the match isn't a GOAT or anything close to that but it goes way beyong 2 crazy spots.

**WOOLCOCK** · 07-31-2011, 05:04 PM

I think its 90s AJPW heavy because a few people managed to check out some of the matches which were heavily pimped and it made sense to continue the discussion and help them in the right direction with regards to some of the best matches to hook them on the style.

If people want some extra discussion, you can't really go wrong with any of the following for Lucha:

Atlantis vs Blue Panther 1991 & 1997
El Dandy vs Negro Casas 1992
Negro Casas vs El Dandy vs El Hijo Del Santo 1996
El Hijo Del Santo vs Negro Casas 1987 & 1997
El Dandy vs Javier Llanes 1994
El Satanico vs Gran Cochisse 1984
MS-1 vs Sangre Chicana 1983
Atlantis vs Villano III 2000 (Mask vs Hair)
Damiencito El Guerrero vs Cicloncito Ramirez 1997
Damiencito El Guerrerro Perrocito Fieritov vs Cicloncito Ramerez Bracito De Oro Mascarita 1997
El Hijo Del Santo vs Espanto Jr 1986 (I'm still searching for a link for these but they're raved about)

All of the above would be pushing *****, Dandy vs Llanes is probably in star ratings 'the weakest' but its ridiculously awesome and probably a top 3 match for me out of those just for the matwork and grappling.

**McQueen** · 07-31-2011, 05:22 PM

Is there a Ditch equivelent Lucha website?