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post #141 of 1407 (permalink) Old 07-30-2011, 03:26 PM
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Its pretty hard to not find good shit from '93 All Japan. Maybe its the mark in me but its pretty tough to find a better single year from any promotion.

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1985 Mid South and 1992 WCW are about the only years I can think of which have enough great matches throughout the year to rival AJPW in 1993, not seen enough prime CMLL but I think Andy was high on their 1997.

Hansen vs Kawada, Kobashi vs Hansen x2 and numerous tags, and Taue vs Kawada for the final time. Then again it's hard to not find a great year from AJPW from around 89-97. Insanely great consistent period for wrestling
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I'm defiantly watching some '93 All Japan tonight. Is there anywhere I could find some '85 Mid South or some '92 WCW for future references?
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Just watched Tenryu vs Tsuruta for the Triple Crown from June 1989 & their chemistry is every bit as intense as Flair, Steamboat & Funk's from that year.

The wrestling has evolved significantly from the title unification bouts with Brody & Hansen which preceded this - it's way more fluid, incredibly physical & the selling has a great realistic edge to it. Plus the crowd is white hot - they care more about these two than their families, friends, pets & sports teams.
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I'm defiantly watching some '93 All Japan tonight. Is there anywhere I could find some '85 Mid South or some '92 WCW for future references?
Seabs megapost has a lot of Mid South and WCW, both are also on dailymotion and youtube in various capacity. Seabs and KingCal also both have a Mid South set, 12 discs for something like 10, significantly cheaper than buying from the guy who made the original.
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I said before, but if you watch the 1993 Tag (link is on the other page) you'll love the 1995 tag even more given how they play off of the leg work in the 1993 tag as well as Kawada's inability to put away Misawa which had been burning at him since 1992.

Plus the 1993 tag is fucking awesome.
Going to get around to that tonight I think. I'm pretty new to AJPW so trying to catch up with it is hard and there are so many different variations of opponents/matches that it gets pretty confusuing. I'm sure I could watch pretty much all of the matches involving Misawa, Kobashi, Kawada, Taue and Jumbo and they would be awesome though.

Thanks for the link by the way .

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Going to get around to that tonight I think. I'm pretty new to AJPW so trying to catch up with it is hard and there are so many different variations of opponents/matches that it gets pretty confusuing. I'm sure I could watch pretty much all of the matches involving Misawa, Kobashi, Kawada, Taue and Jumbo and they would be awesome though.
well essentially the main players around this time are Misawa, Kawada, Kobashi, Taue and then the likes of Fuchi, Kikuchi and some Americans like Hansen and Dr Death Steve Williams

Kawada was Misawa's main tag partner during the Misawa/Kawada/Kobashi vs Jumbo/Taue/Fuchi feud. Kawada and Taue had their own rivalry and Kobashi was the young underdog who'd come through the ranks with Misawa and Kawada but wasn't at their level yet. Fuchi was the ally of Jumbo and Taue and primarily worked with Kobashi during the tags.

Eventually Kawada and Taue finished their feud in 1993, they then aligned and become 'The Holy Demon Army'. Kobashi then stepped up to be Misawa's second man and from there these 4 began their feud which featured Kawada finally trying to beat Misawa (3/6/94) and Kobashi gradually becoming a bigger force in the company through his matches vs Hansen and Williams and occasionally against Kawada and Misawa. Eventually Kobashi would become the next force to challenge Misawa culminating in epic battles spawning 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and then later 2003.

Essentially all you need to know is somewhere down the line Misawa and Kawada become heated rivals, Kobashi moves from rookie to emerging star and finally becomes the second man to Misawa after Kawada leaves the unit, Taue and Kawada become a great tag team after a 2 year on and off feud and it ends with Misawa, Kobashi and Kawada being the clear trio to lead AJPW into a new era.
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Awesome, thanks for that. Clears a lot up. Watching the matches, it's crazy how over Misawa is, even before he became the top guy.
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Awesome, thanks for that. Clears a lot up. Watching the matches, it's crazy how over Misawa is, even before he became the top guy.
He used to be Tiger Mask II, then after one particular match where the heels pissed him off he motioned to Kawada to unmask him, he then promptly through the mask at them and the reaction was immense. From there Baba became aware Jumbo was slowing down in health and that Misawa was to become the new star. Misawa started as a junior and it wasn't till around 1992-1993 IMO where he finally became the star heavyweight and worked a more fitting style. You'll see he still displays some of his junior ability every now and then though.

Kobashi's rise is probably the best though in terms of sympathy. He initially got booked by Baba to lose something like his first 60 matches to build sympathy and then spent the best part of his rookie phase being the punching bag in the Misawa v Jumbo 6 man tags. He slowly worked with Jumbo, the Can Am Express (watch their 25/5/92 match vs Kobashi and Kikuchi in seabs's megapost), Hansen, Williams etc and finally worked Misawa in tournaments and then Kawada and Taue. By about 1995 he was becoming the star Kawada/Misawa were in 1991 and then became a huge star around 1997 up until NOAH was formed.
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Re: Your 5 Star Match Lists

I've not seen nearly enough old stuff but this is my list as it stands:

Dynamite Kid vs Tiger Mask (82)

Bret Hart vs Owen Hart (Wrestlemania X, 94)

Cage Match: Bret Hart vs Owen Hart (Summerslam, 94)

Hell in a cell: Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (Bad Blood, 97)

Street Fight: Triple H vs Cactus Jack (Royal Rumble, 00)

Rey Mysterio and Edge vs Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle (No Mercy, 02)

Chris Benoit vs Kurt Angle (Royal Rumble 03)

AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe vs Christopher Daniels (Unbreakable, 05)

Do Fixer vs Blood Generation (06?)

Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (Wrestlemania XXV, 09)

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