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Old 04-05-2011, 06:23 AM   #521 (permalink)
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:27 AM   #522 (permalink)
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I thought Wrestlemania as a whole does not compare to the Centre Stage shows from ROH in any category besides pyro and wasting time but at the same time Wrestlemania had some good wrestling, the booking was the shitty part, the main event was pathetic. Match of the weekend for me had to be ANX/Briscoes or Eddie vs. Daniels. Need to see DGUSA still.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:35 AM   #523 (permalink)
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Wrestlemania XXVIII
The Rock vs. John Cena - *****

Who wants to take bets now that SCT III is going to hate on us for loving that match too?
I won't be wasting my time with another John Cena match again, to even form an opinion in the first place. I wouldn't bother with that bet, if I was you.

No doubt, you'll all be saying that it was waaay better than Taker-HHH was this year. Even though you've left yourself very little room to say that.

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How can a match that you don't like be five stars? It's based entirely on the opinion of the rater.
Ever heard of dispassionate critique? No, I thought not. Do you think that Dave Meltzer gives out high ratings to only his personal favourite wrestlers?

Just because I like something, or you like something, it doesn't make it perfect. I like certain films with terrible cinematography, purely because I have some kind of personal attachment to them. I'm not delusional enough to call them perfect though. I wouldn't expect everyone else to ignore the flaws just because I relate to the story. I like Bob Dylan but he's a technically terrible singer. The girl I loved most in my life was a nutcase. I knew how to handle her but I wouldn't recommend her to anyone else. And so on...

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Old 04-05-2011, 09:40 AM   #524 (permalink)
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So. Triple H vs. the Undertaker. Seems to have caused some controversy here. Here are my thoughts on the match:

First off, it was entirely a finisher/kickout spotfest. Crabtree and others are right about that.

However, to criticize the match because of that is like criticizing the Divine Comedy for talking about God too much; that is to say, completely missing the point.

Going into the match, nobody thought Triple H was going to win. Nobody beats the Undertaker at WrestleMania. But Triple H was going to try. Like others have said, he's not Shawn putting his career on the line. He's got nothing to lose, he's going to go all out and try and kill Taker. And he does.

Yes, the opening portion is slow. Yes, there's a lot of stalling. But the match has the one absolutely amazing moment that entirely makes up for the slow pace. When Triple H hits Undertaker with Taker's own finisher, after several chairshots, including one to the head (is this rare in WWE nowadays? I think it is, but I don't watch WWE so I'm not sure), and three Pedigrees, and Taker kicks out. The actual kickout isn't all that notable, deep down everyone knew it was coming. The Undertaker doesn't lose at WrestleMania.

It's the way Triple H reacts to that kickout that makes the match. You can practically see his thought process after the kickout. He scurries away, thinking "holy shit, how the fuck did he kick out of that, he's not human" as the crowd pops like crazy. Hunter then decides he's got to kill it with a fucking sledgehammer, so he goes and gets the sledgehammer that is under the ring because it's WWE and there is always a sledgehammer under the ring. Whatever.

Anyway, before Triple H can use the sledgehammer to kill whatever it is that possesses the Undertaker at WrestleMania, Taker locks in Hell's Gate, and after pretty much an eternity of feeling around for the sledgehammer, Triple H finds it, but then drops it and taps out. The Undertaker doesn't lose at WrestleMania.

And then the bell rings and suddenly Taker's mortal again. He can't stand up and gets stretchered out. He's not the same as he was during the match. Something happens to him from bell to bell at WrestleMania that makes it absolutely impossible for him to lose. It's kind of eerie, honestly.

Yes, the actual wrestling kind of sucked if you look at it through the lens of having watched six hours of ROH in the two previous days. But fuck it, I thoroughly enjoyed the match despite that.

So what star rating am I giving it? I'm not. Star ratings are great for wrestling that tries to be the best scripted athletic competition, where they claim they are the best wrestling in the world. They're a quick comparison point and are excellent for that provided you are comparing two like things. But you can't rate lots of different apples, then try and rate an orange on the same criteria. There's nothing wrong with liking both, or only one or the other, but I'm going to restrict my serious star ratings and MOTY considerations to matches where star ratings actually apply, which is not this match. Star ratings can also apply to WWE matches if you want them to, but I don't think they can be rated on the same scale as indy/Japan stuff, personally.

However, I would say I agree far more with the people saying ****1/2 or so than the people saying it sucked.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:53 AM   #525 (permalink)
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Ever heard of dispassionate critique? No, I thought not. Do you think that Dave Meltzer gives out high ratings to only his personal favourite wrestlers?
Probably why he never argues his ratings with any sort of merit. Should definitely follow his lead. Objectivity of ratings was argued in 2007 - 2008 for threads on end. Ridiculous to even suggest.

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Just because I like something, or you like something, it doesn't make it perfect. I like certain films with terrible cinematography, purely because I have some kind of personal attachment to them. I'm not delusional enough to call them perfect though. I wouldn't expect everyone else to ignore the flaws just because I relate to the story. I like Bob Dylan but he's a technically terrible singer. The girl I loved most in my life was a nutcase. I knew how to handle her but I wouldn't recommend her to anyone else. And so on...
Wrestling is subjective, like movies, like TV shows, like manga, anime, taste in food, yadi yada. If you have any sort of faith in your tastes, you'll think what you like is good, instead of liking things which aren't.

I'm not expecting anything from you. You were the one basing people's intelligence on their rating of a wrestling match. But I believe all those things about you. Sorry.

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Old 04-05-2011, 10:09 AM   #526 (permalink)
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Well Undertaker/Triple H is the best match I've ever seen live. Very few matches I can say I enjoyed more than that at all in fact. Now it's probably not a 5* match but just being there for it was insane. It might have been obvious that Taker was winning but when Triple H did the throat slitting motion (an ending that would have been a lot like Shawn's last match and Flair's last match) I really thought Triple H was winning. I was also really far away and I could even appreciate how shocked Triple H was that he lost to someone that couldn't walk. The Hell's Gate caught me entirely off guard.

And as far as I'm concerned ANX/Briscoes was the second best match of the weekend. I can't wait to see these teams wrestle again. Seriously hoping for something crazy at the next iPPV or NYC show (which could be the same show...).
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:42 AM   #527 (permalink)
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ROH on HDNet - The Final Episode

Davey Richards & The Briscoes vs. Roderick Strong & The Kings of Wrestling - ****1/4
This one definitely had a special feel goin in. They played videos from each group highlighting their best moments from the show, plus this was the only match on the episode. They really played that old school style to a tee with the isolation of one guy then he pulls off the hot tag to go along with the managerial interference that didn't hurt the match in any way. Actually made the match much more entertaining. Really awesome stuff highlighted by a Mark Briscoe crazy dive into the crowd and Davey putting a variation on the ankle lock I can't recall ever seeing. It'll be cool to see how this stacks up against the 6 man from the World's Greatest. Definitely a top 5 match in HDNet history.
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Old 04-05-2011, 12:26 PM   #528 (permalink)
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And as far as I'm concerned ANX/Briscoes was the second best match of the weekend.
I feel the same. ANX/Briscoes was my MOTY until Taker and HHH tore the house down. However, I have'em both at ****1/2.
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Old 04-05-2011, 01:10 PM   #529 (permalink)
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ROH Honor Takes Centre Stage Night 1

Roderick Strong vs Davey Richards ****1/4
These two never ever disapoint as far as i'm concerned. It did start slow, but it all led up to one of my favorite finishing sequences in a while, and the finish its self was awesome. Roddy knows how to make his finishers look weak though i have to say which probably kept it from being higher.

KOW vs WGTT ****
Another great match between these two teams. On the same level as their others IMO. The finish was great as claudio's leg had been worked on by WGTT. Hero only hit one elbow in the match and it looked brutal as did benjamins super kick. The crowd popped big for the finish as well. Oh yeah...WGTT have the greatest entrance theme ever lol.

Eddie Edwards vs Christopher Daniels ****
Great title match but i personaly thought the 9th Anniversary match was better. After the awesome taable spot it really picked up with Daniels working over the back and showing his heel side coming out, back and forth for a bit before the really good finish.

Davey/Roddy was MOTN for me. Bring on Night 2.
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ROH World's Greatest
Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas & Davey Richards vs. Kings of Wrestling & Roderick Strong ****1/4 - ****1/2

Wow. I'm sure there will be those that hate this based on the length but it has to be one of the best six mans (not a big fan of DG spotfests) in awhile. Shelton and Haas were fresh opponents for Roderick and brought innovative offense while Davey and the Kings were excellent as usual. It was a bit hokey how everyone brawled to the back except for Davey/Roderick but the action was fantastic. Just six very good (to great) wrestlers in the ring for 30+ mins. Surpassed my expectations greatly.

My #4 MotY.
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1. Ring of Honor Championship: Eddie Edwards (c) vs. Davey Richards (Best in the World iPPV, June 26th, *****)
2. Non-Title: Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin (c) vs. Davey Richards & Eddie Edwards (Honor Takes Center Stage Part 2 iPPV, April 2nd, ****1/2)
3. All Asia Tag Team Championships: Seiya Sanada & Manabu Soya (c) vs. Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi (AJPW, March 21st, ****1/2)
4. Pure Rules: Davey Richards vs. Christopher Daniels (Manhattan Mayhem IV, March 19th, ****1/2)
5. GHC Jr. Heavyweight Championship: Kotaro Suzuki (c) vs. Eddie Edwards (NOAH "The First Navigation", January 29th, ****2/5)

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