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Old 04-04-2011, 11:42 PM   #511 (permalink)
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The more I think about it, the higher regards I hold HHH vs Undertaker. The story and theme of it was just really powerful in my opinion. Very believable near falls, and I love how Undertaker is kinda washed up or "mortal".

From the Undertaker's chokeslam to HHH's 2nd pedigree were the weak parts, essentially the predictable finisher kick out portion. But everything before and after that was excellent. It's better than any match I've seen except for the Seikumo/Hidaka (I think that's his name) match from Zero 1. I also loved CM Punk vs Orton from that PPV. I've only seen ROH's first PPV, but I thought it was better than all the matches on there including the Daniels vs Edwards TV title match (which I didn't think was great at all, though it was solid).
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Triple H vs. Cactus Jack from Royal Rumble 2000 was twice as good as this match and, arguably, a five star match.

This is nothing to do with an anti-HHH bias. I was a big fan of him when he was in his prime. I'm just not allowing Vince McMahon to kid me into thinking that yet another HHH-Taker match is hugely historically significant event. This was a lazy replacement for what could have been Taker vs. Sting - a match that truly would have meant something.



I'm pretty sure Kane tombstoned Undertaker at least as recently as within the past nine months or so. I'm sure others have done it too, I was just using Kane as the example, since that was enough to prove that particular point wrong.

I didn't say that the spot wasn't a really good near fall. In fact, I said the opposite in a previous post. I'm just saying that someone using someone else's finisher doesn't automatically make a match a mindblowing, industry-changing, 5* match. It's something that often happens in longer matches. Eddie Edwards and Christopher Daniels did the same thing recently, in a better match. Nigel McGuinness used Bryan Danielson's shit in matches that didn't even involve Bryan Danielson.



Nah, they just had a different match structure to your average match. IIRC the first one started out with finishers and then went around the houses to get back to finishers again. Regardless, probably neither of those were really 5* matches. They were just great matches that stood out amongst the sea of sewage that WWE have been serving up for a number of years now.

I find it annoying that some people were giving matches from this year's EC PPV close to five stars. The same thing happens with every show. It's just a joke and shows a complete lack of perspective.


I don't recall Kane tomb stoning Undertaker. Not that it's a big deal whether he was tombstoned or not.

You're posting in a smark thread where people here watch a bunch of different wrestling products. Yes, we all know that finisher fest are not exclusive to WM. But what you're ignoring is the WWE perspective. Mcguiness using Bryan Danielson's finishers is not nearly as dramatic as HHH tombstoning Undertaker at WM (especially when he had beaten down Undertaker so badly). The build to the tombstone I think is what made it so great as well as the stage it was presented on.

Back to my point, we see guys kicking out of finishers very often in indie wrestling. It's just not the same type of spectacle as it is in the WWE. Wrestling promotions differ in plot (obviously), so what barring does it have if we see that stuff in ROH? Moves are booked much more differently in that company.

I actually hate matches where guys kick out of finishers. I hate it in the WWE too. And during the HHH vs Undertaker match I was kinda like "this is kinda lame, these spots are predictable". But like a lot of great matches, the middle portion was not good but the start and finish were excellent. So I give this match its due, because I felt a lot of emotion from it. The perfect match? Can't say I've seen someone say that. A great one? I'd say so, much better than any reasonable expectations that is for sure.

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Triple H vs Undertaker was around ****1/2 for me, absolutely loved it.

Punk/Orton, Rhodes/Mysterio and Edge/Del Rio were all very enjoyable matches also.

Also saw some of ROH Center Stage part 1, the two title matches were both very good.
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Hahaha. I remember you talking about how much you hated ROH and then coming sneaking back into the ROH fanclub, quietly.

I definitely wouldn't have giggled like a schoolgirl over anything at this WM, not within the past 10 years of my life. Nor would you, I'm sure.
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If you didn't watch Epic Encounter III or Supercard of Honor V then get the fuck on that. The rest, yeah, it pretty much sucked.
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Still a good match and the only thing worth talking about at Mania, but it wasn't great. Edge/Taker had a better match at WM24.
lolwat. Edge vs. Undertaker was terrible. The formula for all their matches (bad HIAC) was awful.

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Triple H vs. Cactus Jack from Royal Rumble 2000 was twice as good as this match and, arguably, a five star match.
I think I actually prefer the Triple H vs. Undertaker match over that, but I'm not too fond of the Street Fight anyway.

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If two guys I don't like have a 5* match, I'll take my hat off to them. It doesn't mean I'll enjoy it more than an average match between two guys that I do relate to. For the record, I didn't think this match "sucked".
How can a match that you don't like be five stars? It's based entirely on the opinion of the rater.
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In my defense, Post Gabe's departure until Final Battle 2011 was fucking awful with only a few great shows.
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