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As far as I'm concerned, the greatest wrestlers are the ones who can make those "simple and boring" things look interesting and entertaining, like neck work, back work, leg work, headlocks... Examples: Flair, Steamboat, Backlund, Daniels, Finlay, Benoit, Puro guys, etc.
How can you have that list and not include Dick Murdoch?

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How can you have that list and not include Dick Murdoch?
He's in the "etc" part.
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As far as I'm concerned, the greatest wrestlers are the ones who can make those "simple and boring" things look interesting and entertaining, like neck work, back work, leg work, headlocks... Examples: Flair, Steamboat, Backlund, Daniels, Finlay, Benoit, Puro guys, etc.
I see no Danielson or Bret but Finlay and Daniels
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Dragon and Bret, definitely, it's impossible to mention everyone.
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I'm a bit in the same boat, at least as far as selling is concerned. I've loved plenty of matches that had great limbwork that was executed well on the part of the guy doing the workover and sold well by the guy on the receiving end, but if that stuff is completely absent in a match, I don't really notice, because frankly I just find it more realistic.

An important thing that I feel like a lot of people who analyze wrestling matches forget is that within the context of the fictional world being presented on any given wrestling show, professional wrestling is a sport. And with very few exceptions, in sports, I tend to see two kinds of injuries: the kind that render an athlete completely unable to compete, and the kind that the guy works through with no noticeable effect on his game. And if a guy gets hurt in the course of a game/match/fight -- not truly "injured," but just hurt, as which 99% of limbwork is presented -- the audience barely even notices most of the time, except to say "Ooh, that must've hurt" or something to that effect. And the fictional sport that is professional wrestling belongs to the same family of sport as boxing or MMA, where hurting your opponent in such a fashion is not only an unavoidable consequence of a physical and aggressive game (as in, say, American football or rugby or whatever), but simply the way the game is played.

As for storytelling, it's absolutely essential for me to enjoy a match, but I have a much broader definition of it than I think most people do. My ideal for storytelling in wrestling is All Japan in the '90s, where the booking was so deep and layered it deserved comparison to the best TV dramas, and guys like Misawa, Kawada, and Kobashi -- who would've been world-class in-ring performers even without the amazing booking (as they proved after the AJPW/NOAH split) -- could respond accordingly. But really, every pro wrestling match has a story built in: "Two guys (or girls, or teams, or whatever) are going to fight. If it's a title match, the winner gets the title. If it's not, the winner gets more money and gets closer to a title shot. Who's gonna win?" I love it when the story goes deeper than that. But if it doesn't, that's not necessarily a knock. A match may be what most people would dismiss as a "spotfest," but unless it's a Teddy Hart match or something, I don't see that as grounds for casual dismissal.
I agree with most of this, apart from the storytelling, like I mentioned earlier it's not essential for me at all lol. I don't know I just want a fast paced match with awesome moves. The PAC vs Ricochet match from Dragon Gate last year was a match I loved, same with Richards vs Edwards from BITW 2011.


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Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose (FCW 2/10/11)
Seabs pretty much nailed it in his review, but I didn't like it as much as him though. I loved the psychology here, Rollin's arm is all kinds of fucked up and Ambrose comes off as pretty insane when working over it. I didn't dig the start of the match with all the pin attempts and then all the strike exchanges but once Ambrose gets hold of the arm it's all great stuff from there on both guys parts. ****
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how

that's like saying that you watch movies for the explosions and you wish they'd stop all that fucking talking

or like your favorite part of the sundae is hot fudge and you wish they had less of that fucking ice cream

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There's nothing wrong with liking a spotfest, it's just those who try to tell everyone else that what they watched *weren't* spotfests. As far as tastes go it looks like The Corre and I are on opposite ends of the yard, but he's actually admitting they're spotfests instead of spouting bullshit about how some shitty spotfest had "psychology" or whatever. A lot of them don't. TLC II from WrestleMania 17 has no "psychology" (I hate that term in wrestling but it's the consensous term for what we're talking about). Honestly, I think it, along with most ladder matches, is a mess. But if people want to enjoy it as a spotfest then w/e.

I haven't seen a LOT of these type of people, but the people who say something like "Davey Richards told a story by no-selling that move" are the ones that annoy me. Enjoy Davey Richards as a jumping bean all you want, just don't tell me he's a gifted wrestler because he moves at fifty kilometres an hour and ignores his opponenet's offense. I can admit some wrestlers I like are pretty bad. Like Tarzan Goto.

If there's anything to get out of this post, it's that everyone needs to see more Tarzan Goto.

EDIT: Finlay destroys Bret Hart at "little" things. I don't even see how that's close. But this is the 2011 thread so I won't open a can o' worms.

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Yeah, I respect that the dude is honest about it, but that's an opinion that feels entirely alien to me. Not the liking spotfests, I can totally get down with spotfests so long as they're good, but storytelling and character work is what makes wrestling enjoyable to me and for someone to come out and say "I have no interest in that" is just weird.

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