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It's entirely dependant on the style of the match they're going for. I don't think anything is essential in a match for it work and/or be enjoyable. Obviously I'd rather sit through a match where the heel works over a body part and the babyface sells the fuck out of it than your generic ROH main event these days. Good selling and workovers are entertaining btw assuming neither guy is a boring little fuck like Dean Malenko.

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As far as I'm concerned, the greatest wrestlers are the ones who can make those "simple and boring" things look interesting and entertaining, like neck work, back work, leg work, headlocks... Examples: Flair, Steamboat, Backlund, Daniels, Finlay, Benoit, Puro guys, etc.
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As far as I'm concerned, the greatest wrestlers are the ones who can make those "simple and boring" things look interesting and entertaining, like neck work, back work, leg work, headlocks... Examples: Flair, Steamboat, Backlund, Daniels, Finlay, Benoit, Puro guys, etc.
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I love limb work but some people can make it dull as shit. It may technically be "good" wrestling but if the guy isn't making it interesting then yeah it gets boring.

Example- Dean Malenko working Rey Mysterio's leg over at GAB 1996. Or 95% of the time Dean Malenko worked a part over.

And then there's perfectly good and entertaining limb work, and the guy just blows it off and forgets about it and doesn't even continue seliing.

Example- Dean Malenko blowing off Eddie Guerrero's leg work at Uncensored 1997. Or 95% of the time Dean Malenko had a part worked over.




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It's entirely dependant on the style of the match they're going for. I don't think anything is essential in a match for it work and/or be enjoyable. Obviously I'd rather sit through a match where the heel works over a body part and the babyface sells the fuck out of it than your generic ROH main event these days. Good selling and workovers are entertaining btw assuming neither guy is a boring little fuck like Dean Malenko.
Re: the unbolded part lol; I am the exact opposite. I really can't sit through a slow paced match where the heel works over a bodypart and the face is just working 15 minutes to a dramatic comeback. Yeah, the comeback is usually fun to watch but the rest of the match is insanely boring for me.

I think I am one of few (atleast on this forum) who doesn't care for storytelling, selling, psychology etc.. I love a spotfest, and a Richards vs Edwards match is great to watch imo. I really prefer fast paced hard-hitting matches.


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Limb work when it is sold properly is one of my favourite things about pro-wrestling. Classic example: The Paul London/Bryan Danielson ROH match at Epic Encounter in 2003. Dragon works over the leg, Paul sells it like a frickin' champ, can hardly walk, and has difficulty getting to the top rope for his special moves. London sold it like he was having to change his game plan on the fly. That's the sort of story I love to see in wrestling; I'm not so fussed about what's going on outside the ring, it's when the story is told within the confines of the ring that I'm most interested.
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Re: the unbolded part lol; I am the exact opposite. I really can't sit through a slow paced match where the heel works over a bodypart and the face is just working 15 minutes to a dramatic comeback. Yeah, the comeback is usually fun to watch but the rest of the match is insanely boring for me.

I think I am one of few (atleast on this forum) who doesn't care for storytelling, selling, psychology etc.. I love a spotfest, and a Richards vs Edwards match is great to watch imo. I really prefer fast paced hard-hitting matches.
how

that's like saying that you watch movies for the explosions and you wish they'd stop all that fucking talking

or like your favorite part of the sundae is hot fudge and you wish they had less of that fucking ice cream

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I think I am one of few (atleast on this forum) who doesn't care for storytelling, selling, psychology etc.. I love a spotfest, and a Richards vs Edwards match is great to watch imo. I really prefer fast paced hard-hitting matches.
I'm a bit in the same boat, at least as far as selling is concerned. I've loved plenty of matches that had great limbwork that was executed well on the part of the guy doing the workover and sold well by the guy on the receiving end, but if that stuff is completely absent in a match, I don't really notice, because frankly I just find it more realistic.

An important thing that I feel like a lot of people who analyze wrestling matches forget is that within the context of the fictional world being presented on any given wrestling show, professional wrestling is a sport. And with very few exceptions, in sports, I tend to see two kinds of injuries: the kind that render an athlete completely unable to compete, and the kind that the guy works through with no noticeable effect on his game. And if a guy gets hurt in the course of a game/match/fight -- not truly "injured," but just hurt, as which 99% of limbwork is presented -- the audience barely even notices most of the time, except to say "Ooh, that must've hurt" or something to that effect. And the fictional sport that is professional wrestling belongs to the same family of sport as boxing or MMA, where hurting your opponent in such a fashion is not only an unavoidable consequence of a physical and aggressive game (as in, say, American football or rugby or whatever), but simply the way the game is played.

As for storytelling, it's absolutely essential for me to enjoy a match, but I have a much broader definition of it than I think most people do. My ideal for storytelling in wrestling is All Japan in the '90s, where the booking was so deep and layered it deserved comparison to the best TV dramas, and guys like Misawa, Kawada, and Kobashi -- who would've been world-class in-ring performers even without the amazing booking (as they proved after the AJPW/NOAH split) -- could respond accordingly. But really, every pro wrestling match has a story built in: "Two guys (or girls, or teams, or whatever) are going to fight. If it's a title match, the winner gets the title. If it's not, the winner gets more money and gets closer to a title shot. Who's gonna win?" I love it when the story goes deeper than that. But if it doesn't, that's not necessarily a knock. A match may be what most people would dismiss as a "spotfest," but unless it's a Teddy Hart match or something, I don't see that as grounds for casual dismissal.
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