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post #3111 of 3228 (permalink) Old 01-22-2012, 08:06 AM
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So it's not more than what I said
No, it's more than the spotfest you saw. Like I said, psychology and storytelling in it were amazing.

As for the end of the feuds I don't watch RoH so I cannot comment there (despite thinking Steen/Generico) BUT Steen Wolf felt like a blowoff to their feud and signaled some form of respect/admiration for the other wrestler.

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idk why it's sad. i still enjoy the hell out of the match because it was damn entertaining as i thought the recent GW match was. am i missing more than "they hate each other so they do moves instead of win the match"? not trying to argue or anything, i'd like to know.
If you missed the whole point and mission of that match and the meaning of all those spots, then you're blind, tbh. It was probably the best storytelling in 2011, so calling it the "spotfest" just makes no sense.
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Re: The 2011 MOTYC Thread

Steen/Generico definitely wasn't just a spotfest. Best match of 2011 for me.
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Davey Richards/El Generico - ROH Glory By Honor X ****1/4-****1/2.

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The presence of big, crazy, crowd-popping spots in a match ≠ The absence of storytelling or of anything else of larger significance
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Just curious, re: Seth Rollins' limb work: Does selling a particular body part make that big a difference in star rating for you guys, more so than overall entertainment value? I enjoy me some good, logical wrestling, but if a match is slow-paced and uninteresting to me, I couldn't care less about the limb stuff. After a certain point in any match, I need a hook beyond just working over someone's arm or leg for the duration. Maybe that's just me, though.
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The same goes for me, tbh.

A match can be as technically sound as any but if I do not have a reason to be involved (or support one of the guys) I just won't truly enjoy it. Your issue, though, can work on an inverse.

A match can be the most entertaining match of the year but it can, still, lack logic/psychology/selling and thus have it's star rating hurt because of it. A good match, for me, finds good middle ground between all the aspects, thus.

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A match that has limb work can still be entertaining. As long as the limb work doesn't get completely forgotten about it's awesome and add's to my enjoyment and rating of the match. If there is a workover and then the guy just no sells it, it takes me right out of the match and lowers my enjoyment and rating. A match can be great without a workover of course, but it depends what the story of the match is and if it really requires one. If you have something like Davey/Eddie from FB where there was no workover or much of a story to talk of and just moves upon moves, it just comes off as complete trash.
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I love limb work but some people can make it dull as shit. It may technically be "good" wrestling but if the guy isn't making it interesting then yeah it gets boring.

Example- Dean Malenko working Rey Mysterio's leg over at GAB 1996. Or 95% of the time Dean Malenko worked a part over.

And then there's perfectly good and entertaining limb work, and the guy just blows it off and forgets about it and doesn't even continue seliing.

Example- Dean Malenko blowing off Eddie Guerrero's leg work at Uncensored 1997. Or 95% of the time Dean Malenko had a part worked over.




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I love limb work but some people can make it dull as shit. It may technically be "good" wrestling but if the guy isn't making it interesting then yeah it gets boring.

Example- Dean Malenko working Rey Mysterio's leg over at GAB 1996. Or 95% of the time Dean Malenko worked a part over.

And then there's perfectly good and entertaining limb work, and the guy just blows it off and forgets about it and doesn't even continue seliing.

Example- Dean Malenko blowing off Eddie Guerrero's leg work at Uncensored 1997. Or 95% of the time Dean Malenko had a part worked over.




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... The Shockmaster?

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