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I don't understand why people rate this tag match lower than the Generico/Steen ladder match. They were both just spotfests and don't yell that Generico/Steen wasn't a spot fest, it was. I thought they were both superfun to watch and good matches on top of that.
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I don't understand why people rate this tag match lower than the Generico/Steen ladder match. They were both just spotfests and don't yell that Generico/Steen wasn't a spot fest, it was. I thought they were both superfun to watch and good matches on top of that.
The Ladder match wasn't really a spot fest they didn't do a lot of random shit for the sake of doing it and the stuff also came off looking better in the ladder war.

The Fear match was pure trash for the most part imo lot of pointless chair shots that didn't look good and trash can shots, Lot of the spots didn't look that great like the stomp dragon did off the top rope or the F5 Steen did both looked awful imo. Crowd was crap and I didn't feel any emotion at all in the match.
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(This post is said without viewing PWG Fear and thus I cannot comment on that match)

The saving grace with Steen/Generico is that you could look at those spots as a spotfest, sure, but they weren't. They were intregral to the story surrounding the match and one of the few times a spotfest made psychological sense and actually paid off as a means to an end.

It was a ladder match and yet, despite this, when each wrestler had a chance to go for the title they did not. They wanted to beat the holy hell out of each other - and the hatred between them because of it felt so real. Sure they pulled out big spots, but each and every time the spots got more insane leading up until just before Generico won because it mad sense to do so.

Re-watch the ending. Steen may not have been fully knocked down while the both of them were on the ladder, but Generico could still have grabbed the belt and the win. He didn't, and I'm glad he didn't as what he did next was one of the greatest ends to a feud and match I've witnessed.

He flipped over Steen and powerbombed his head right into the ladder on the ground. Not only was it a sick spot but it was an amazing "fuck you" of an exclamation mark to their feud. They beat each other to their limits and because of that they "grew" respect for each other and the crowd for laying it all in the ring. Everything in that match was booked to perfection - even the Young Bucks run-in. That is how you end a feud and that is why I loved it so damn much.

*marking out just thinking of the match*


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(This post is said without viewing PWG Fear and thus I cannot comment on that match)

The saving grace with Steen/Generico is that you could look at those spots as a spotfest, sure, but they weren't. They were intregral to the story surrounding the match and one of the few times a spotfest made psychological sense and actually paid off as a means to an end.

It was a ladder match and yet, despite this, when each wrestler had a chance to go for the title they did not. They wanted to beat the holy hell out of each other - and the hatred between them because of it felt so real. Sure they pulled out big spots, but each and every time the spots got more insane leading up until just before Generico won because it mad sense to do so.

Re-watch the ending. Steen may not have been fully knocked down while the both of them were on the ladder, but Generico could still have grabbed the belt and the win. He didn't, and I'm glad he didn't as what he did next was one of the greatest ends to a feud and match I've witnessed.

He flipped over Steen and powerbombed his head right into the ladder on the ground. Not only was it a sick spot but it was an amazing "fuck you" of an exclamation mark to their feud. They beat each other to their limits and because of that they "grew" respect for each other and the crowd for laying it all in the ring. Everything in that match was booked to perfection - even the Young Bucks run-in. That is how you end a feud and that is why I loved it so damn much.

*marking out just thinking of the match*
So basically moves for the sake of moves but masked because of hatred. I thought the YB and SD/Steen had a feud to and they did a bunch of spots trying to hurt each other and then went for pins later. It's the same thing.

re the bolded part: i sincerely hope it's not the end in PWG and we know it's not the end in ROH. <3 Steen/Generico matches.
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I don't understand why people rate this tag match lower than the Generico/Steen ladder match. They were both just spotfests and don't yell that Generico/Steen wasn't a spot fest, it was. I thought they were both superfun to watch and good matches on top of that.
It's kinda sad for you if you can't appreciate Steen/Generico from Steen Wolf as being more than a bunch of spots because there was so much more to it that you've clearly missed out on.

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idk why it's sad. i still enjoy the hell out of the match because it was damn entertaining as i thought the recent GW match was. am i missing more than "they hate each other so they do moves instead of win the match"? not trying to argue or anything, i'd like to know.
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It's sad for you because you aren't able to appreciate it to it's full greatness but at least you still enjoyed it for the spotfest you saw it as so you still got to enjoy it somewhat.

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So it's not more than what I said...which is fine. Maybe I'm looking for more than there is in wrestling as a whole.
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Started catching back up with FCW again yesterday where I left off in April and holy shit I haven't had that much fun watching a bunch of matches from one guy from one TV promotion in ages. I'm talking about Seth Rollins btw. At the point where he joined FCW I didn't not like him, I actively disliked him. Now I'm seriously considering him for WOTY for 2011 now. Not gonna talk about all the MOTYC matches but I need to about the last 3.

Seth Rollins & Richie Steamboat vs Los Aviadores - FCW 05.06.2011
****1/4

Seth Rollins vs Damien Sandow - FCW 15 Championship - FCW 19.06.2011
****

Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose - FCW 15 Championship - FCW 28.08.2011
****

Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose - FCW 15 Championship - FCW 18.09.2011
****1/4

Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose - FCW 02.10.2011
And now we get to legit MOTYC's of the bunch. The first 3 Ambrose/Rollins matches got loads of praise and rightly so but this one seemed to go under the radar which is a travesty because it's the best of the lot by some way. Rollins comes into the match with his upper arm all taped up so you can guess where the match is going. By some miracle though between this time and when he left ROH somebody's taught Rollins how to sell a body part and they've TAUGHT HIM WELL. He literally wrestles the whole match with one arm and by that I mean selling the arm consistently and brilliantly while Ambrose is working it over and the doing all of his moves with one arm and leaving the bad arm dangling by his side so he doesn't have to move it. Then on the rare occasions when he does have to use it he makes a big deal out of having to use the arm which in turn makes people care about the spot. It's glorious. Ambrose has his best performance of the series in this one too when he gets the chance to really be evil and sadistic destroying the injured arm and having more of a chance to get his character over within the match. Rollins' arm is actually legit really badly fucked up too and they show some great shots of his completely filled with bruising whilst Ambrose is just ripping his nails and teeth all up the bruising. Regal's on commentary too and he's a god send. He just gets it. Gets literally everything over, makes you care about the match and especially tiny little things that no other commentator could even dream of picking up on. You can tell he's so passionate about the matches too and that transcends to the viewer which makes them care about it. He had an amazing line in one of the earlier matches I mentioned where Bryon Saxton called him Regal and he clmly replies "You can call me William, you can call me Mr. Regal, but if you even call me Regal again I'll break you're bloody fingers off". GOD.

****1/2

Seth Rollins vs Damien Sandow - FCW 15 Championship - FCW 30.10.2011
First off the FCW 15 concept is the greatest new concept anyone's thought up in modern wrestling. It's amazing. 15 minutes so as long as you've got one good worker, you're guaranteed a good match, two good workers and you're guaranteed a great match. It's ironman rules in those 15 minutes too which is fucking awesome because it means you can do multiple falls and still keep going so you don't have to kick out of stupid shit and there's tons of different dynamics you can go with thanks to the points system which makes it more like a spot than a work and it always makes the last minute awesome because it can always go either way. Rollins is the first champ and won it at the start of the year and he's kept it ever since. First of long title reigns full of great matches rule and the best part is that when you do switch the title it's a fucking big deal and it's largely down to that why I just adored the finish of this. Gonna spoiler tag it because it's so awesome I don't wanna spoil it for anyone who reads this and then watches it.
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They're all level with 6 seconds left so Rollins is gonna retain and then Ambrose runs in and pushes Sandow over causing a DQ in Sandow's favour. It's incredible. Not only does it add to the Rollins/Ambrose feud and is perfect for Ambrose's character but because of the Ironman rules it means that it causes Rollins to lose the title and this is where you get the payoff from having a great lengthy title reign because it means something now. Rollins sells the finish brilliantly too and looks just mortified that after 10 months of working 15 minute ironman matces and always retaining his run has ended like this! On top of all that's Sandow's got the fucking best "I'm a lucky cunt and you're not" look so he's the perfect guy to do it with. Regal's so amazing in helping to get the finish over way before it even happens too. In like the middle of the match he just calmly gets in points about Rollins being the first and only champ, having a great reign and doing the Brisco legacy proud and really getting Seth and his title run over as being great and significant.
Rollins is still selling the arm from the previous Moxley match and removing parts of the taping was sweet. Once again his selling is phenomenal and he always ties it into his own offence too which I'm a total sucker for. They do a super spot where Rollins goes for his springboard dive into the ring because that's his big go to move but he stutters on the spring because he can't the balance due to his bad arm and Sandow just pushes him off and he falls onto the guard rail with his bad arm draped over the rail. It's amazing. The whole match is.


****1/2

Seth Rollins vs Damien Sandow - FCW 15 Championship - FCW 13.11.2011
And yet again Rollins in another legit MOTYC where he fucking works his ass off and sells a body part better than anyone else I've seen sell in the modern era. Pre match Cesaro comes out and slams Rollins' leg onto the steps during his entrance which leaves the match in question but Sandow and his "I'm a lucky cunt and you aren't. HA!" character proves why it's so great again by forcing Rollins into the match despite the injury because this is his rematch and if he doesn't take the match he's not getting another one. So for the whole match you've got Rollins working from behind like every good babyface should do and selling the fuck out of an injury. Rollins actually gets the first fall off a flash pin which was awesome because then you get the best dynamic for a match ever with the babyface actually having the advantage and the heel working from behind points wise but then the heel having the advantage health wise and the babyface working from behind with the injury. Sandow's great at working over the leg and whilst he may not be as much of an out there worker like Ambrose that's easy to recognise, he's just as good when it comes down to the ring stuff and working his character and making stuff make sense. They do an amazing figure four spot around the ring post where Rollins is just screaming the place down in agony and they do loads of cool little spots finding different variations of working a leg over that all look fresh and current and because of the ironman rules Sandown can get a submission out of it without having to end the match. I mentioned before how much of a sucker I am for guys selling a body part during their own offence and there's tons of awesome examples of Rollins doing this here. He's doing one legged suplexes, trying to do his powerbomb into the corner but his leg giving way and falling with the other guy on top of him and the best of the lot is when he's climbing up the ropes with his back to the ring and he hops up every rope with one leg which is visually impressive on top of being phenomenal selling wise too. If the finish to the previous Rollins/Sandow match was my favourite finish in years then this is my second favourite finish in years. It's all level with 3 seconds left when Rollins gets a quick cradle and seems to get the pin but the 3 count hist literally on 0:00 and they couldn't have done it any tighter to the finish if they'd tried for weeks again afterwards. Completely works as a false finish and everyone sells it to death. Ties in perfectly yet again with Sandow's character too. After the match Cesaro cuts an amazing promo too just to top everything off. At one point he goes off track to insult the fans and then restarts with "where was I? ... oh yes" which is so awesome and then he teases Rollins to come and fight him whilst stood behind where the guard rails join so nobody can easily get to him to hit him anyway. I fucking love this place and at this point they've got some seriously great wrestlers down there. Never thought I'd be praising a bunch of Tyler Black matches this much from 2011 yet alone seriously considering him for my WOTY now.

****1/2
Keep in mind for my ratings I've already watched Rollins/Ambrose's 3 Iron Man matches... So I only watched the latter 3 matches in one sitting.

Ambrose vs Rollins - 30min Iron Man ****1/4
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Ambrose vs Rollins - Rollins' arm ****
Rollins vs Sandow - 15min Iron Man I ****
Rollins vs Sandow - 15min Iron Man II ***3/4

PSYCHOLOGY.

Rollins is a bloody hero, working with that arm. I wasn't marking for Rollins after I watched his Iron Mans with Ambrose, but now that Seabs has kindly reviewed the other matches, I am definitely a fan now.

Sandow has great facial expressions. He can hold up his end of the bargain in the ring and I can't really find his flaws.

Ambrose shows why I mark for him after watching the 3 Iron Man matches. There will definitely be a moment when you will do. What a character.

Regal is WWE's best commentator snice Jim Ross. Best color commentator I've ever heard. Like Seabs said, GOD.

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