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Here it is, by popular demand, the Official SHIMMER Discussion Thread! I'd been thinking, for a while, that there should've been one of these but, until now, I couldn't be bothered to make one myself (SHIMMER also needs to invade the 'Women of Wrestling' section but that's another story). I know that there are quite a few closet wimminz rasslin' marks knocking around WF, so it's time for you to come out of the woodwork and report in.

Some things that might need discussing:

- SHIMMER 33 is now available, for pre-order, here. I don't know who does the covers for SHIMMER DVDs but they've been awesome lately. They put ROH's dismal efforts to shame...
- Ayako Hamada recently parted ways with TNA. I'm presuming that she'll go back to Mexico or Japan on a full-time basis. There's a good chance that means that she won't be appearing at future SHIMMER tapings. Sad times.

- On a more positive note, here's a picture of Misaki Ohata:

Not sure what else needs discussing? Feel free to chime in with whatever you want, on the subject of SHIMMER - past, present and future.
 
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Haha, I was also wondering why we didnt have a thread for this already. Funny thing I was just about to settle in and watch Vol. 32 finally. I might as well post a review along with match ratings later :)

A few things I will say about SHIMMER:Melissa and Ashley Lane are my favories and should both be in line for title reigns in Shimmer I hope. I have watched it for quite awhile and have enjoyed the matches between Melissa and MsChif those probobly being some of the best women's matches in history imo.

Will say more later lol.
 
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Haha, I was also wondering why we didnt have a thread for this already. Funny thing I was just about to settle in and watch Vol. 32 finally. I might as well post a review along with match ratings later :)

A few things I will say about SHIMMER:Melissa and Ashley Lane are my favories and should both be in line for title reigns in Shimmer I hope. I have watched it for quite awhile and have enjoyed the matches between Melissa and MsChif those probobly being some of the best women's matches in history imo.

Will say more later lol.
Ashley hasn't worked Shimmer in a few volumes...
 
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I realize this, but still holding out hope that she will return eventually. Would be cool for her to be known as the first to hold TNA KO and Shimmer gold plus to have held the tag titles in each promotion. I a sorta a huge fan.. haha.
 
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Melissa definitely deserves a big, emotional title win. The issue between her an Eagles just needs to build for a bit first. Melissa would be ideal as the face of SHIMMER and I honestly don't think that I've ever seen her have a bad match.
 
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Finally. Awesome job, Crabtree.

These past few volumes have been great so far, but this one I can't wait for.

There's gonna be an Athena match, I heard the whole upper card is great, and Eagles' title reign begins. Sounds fantastic.

Melissa definitely deserves a big, emotional title win. The issue between her an Eagles just needs to build for a bit first. Melissa would be ideal as the face of SHIMMER and I honestly don't think that I've ever seen her have a bad match.
Kinda like Davey Richards and the ROH World Title, it's gonna happen. It's just going take a while.
 
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Yep agreed. Most of MsChifs title matches were disappointing and i really enjoy Portia Perez as a heel.
She also had the misfortune of having the title bouts right after awesome matches in multiple volumes.


In other words, having matches after Del Rey, Melissa, Stock, Hamada, or the Joshi wrestlers.

When it comes to favorite wrestlers...

Past - Tiana Ringer. For some reason, I really liked watching "Smurfette" wrestle. She had a certain type of zaniness that, if she was in the industry longer, probably would have gotten her more mainstream jobs, IMO. Namely in TNA. Plus, I liked that she was able to incorporate her ballerina and martial art skills into her move set. I just wish I got to see it evolve.

It really sucks that she left the industry, but... Honestly, I just hope she's happy were she is now.


Present - This is a really difficult question. There's a slew of awesome talent in the promotion right now. Melissa has been my consistent favorite, but Hamada hasn't had a match less than three stars yet. So again, really difficult, but...

Ayako Hamada.


Future - I see plenty of potential. Athena, Matthews, McKay, the Rate Tank, etc... Right now though? Jesse McKay. I think in a few years she'll be the future of women's wrestling much like Del Rey currently personafies it (I don't count the Divas or KOs).


Favorite not in Shimmer? Look at the sig. Taeler Hendrix.
 
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Awesome idea to start this thread Shirley, I'd been thinking about doing it myself but only got into SHIMMER fairly recently, starting with vol.29 (I've since got 25-28 although I haven't watched all of them yet and also seen 9 and 14) so my knowledge is still a bit limited. I want to get more but price is a factor and I prefer to support small promotions rather than downloading, something I have no qualms about with WWE and TNA which never provide value for money.

Anyway, of the volumes I haven't seen, which would you recommend? I've seen you say 19 is one of your favourites, what about some of the others?
 
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Awesome idea to start this thread Shirley, I'd been thinking about doing it myself but only got into SHIMMER fairly recently, starting with vol.29 (I've since got 25-28 although I haven't watched all of them yet and also seen 9 and 14) so my knowledge is still a bit limited. I want to get more but price is a factor and I prefer to support small promotions rather than downloading, something I have no qualms about with WWE and TNA which never provide value for money.

Anyway, of the volumes I haven't seen, which would you recommend? I've seen you say 19 is one of your favourites, what about some of the others?
I'm only fairly new to SHIMMER myself but, since I realised it was awesome, I've tried to soak up as much knowledge as possible. 18 is great and I just watched 26 and 27 and they both have classic matches on them. Good shows tend to come along in twos, I think. Dunno what other people recommend?

The whole piracy thing is a big debate. I think piracy can actually help to spread the word freely and widely and then spawn more new fans, who are willing to support the company financially. It's difficult to say that with a promotion like SHIMMER though, who really are running hand-to-mouth, show-to-show. When you buy a SHIMMER DVD you're literally paying for one of the girls to get a taxi from her hotel to the show and back.

I tend to just buy what I feel is my own fair share of wrestling stuff (as a donation to whatever company) and then watch stuff, that I'm not sure is worthy of be bought, for free. In fact, I buy more than my own fair share. So I don't feel too guilty about pirating like a bastard.
 
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Any advise on where to start for Shimmer, which show(s) to watch first? They seem to have a whole lot of releases out there. Or should I just go straight for the newest one (#32)?
I'd start a little earlier, say around 28 or 29 which is where I came aboard. Right now that's easy because buster312 has just provided links for all the dvds so far released. Just go the the indy section in wrestling multi media. Ideally you'd pay for as much as possible but I see nothing wrong with getting a free sample.
 
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Seeing as others are doing it I'll list my favourites in Shimmer

Cheerleader Melissa - always puts on a good match and I'd love to see her eventually take the belt off Eagles maybe at the next tapings in March

Nicole Matthews - Portia often gets the more attention of the Canadian Ninjas but I rate Nicole as the better wrestler her match with Melissa on Volume 27 proves she could be a singles star when the Ninjas eventually split but hopefully that doesn't happen just yet.

Kellie Skater - perhaps not as polished yet in the ring as the others I have listed but I can't help but enjoy her antics. And she deserves a lot of credit for the chops she was willing to take from Mercedes Martinez and the beating from Cheerleader Melissa in their Volume 28 match

Another favourite is someone I miss seeing in Shimmer from the early days is Rebecca Knox. I was watching Volume 5 last week and her 2/3 falls match with Daizee Haze was fantastic. I think she had to reitre due to health reasons but she was fantastic in the few matches she had in Shimmer and there were so many potentially great matches she could've had.
 
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Seeing as others are doing it I'll list my favourites in Shimmer

Cheerleader Melissa - always puts on a good match and I'd love to see her eventually take the belt off Eagles maybe at the next tapings in March

Nicole Matthews - Portia often gets the more attention of the Canadian Ninjas but I rate Nicole as the better wrestler her match with Melissa on Volume 27 proves she could be a singles star when the Ninjas eventually split but hopefully that doesn't happen just yet.

Kellie Skater - perhaps not as polished yet in the ring as the others I have listed but I can't help but enjoy her antics. And she deserves a lot of credit for the chops she was willing to take from Mercedes Martinez and the beating from Cheerleader Melissa in their Volume 28 match

Another favorite is someone I miss seeing in Shimmer from the early days is Rebecca Knox. I was watching Volume 5 last week and her 2/3 falls match with Daizee Haze was fantastic. I think she had to retire due to health reasons but she was fantastic in the few matches she had in Shimmer and there were so many potentially great matches she could've had.
I agree about Nicole Matthews. At first, I didn't like her as much (I didn't like either of the Canadian Ninjas), but they've both grown on me. More Matthews than Perez though.


I do like Perez as a commentator though. Same with Danger. I think Kellie needs some time to improve in the commentator box, but she'll get there.
 
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Shimmer Volume 32

Jamilia Craft vs Malia Hosaka **

-A decent opener, I really like Jamilia and can see her going far in future volumes. Malia is one of those veterans who can put on some good matches and also put over younger girls. I was glad Craft won this one and like I said I hope she goes far.

Rachel Summerlyn vs Kelly Skater * ½

-Another alright outing here, both these girls have a lot of potential and will progressively get better as time goes on. The match was fairly short much like most of them but they did good for the time they were given.

Cat Power vs Nevaeh * ¾

-Two of my favorites in this match, I really wished they got more time in there. I hope to see more matches between these two girls in the future, both are deserving of a lot of merits and will be holding gold sooner or later.

Jennifer Blake and Allison Danger vs Melanie Cruz and Annie Social **

-This was a good match in terms of the storyline development with the whole thing of Ninjas hiring Cruz and Social to take out Danger. It appears as if Blake/Danger are going for the tag belts and I wouldnt mind seeing them win eventually, although I really like Ninjas as champions. Perhaps later on.

Tomoka Nakagawa vs Jessie McKay **

-I wanted to see Jessie win but it was a good match none the less. Jessie and Tomoka could probably have another great match in the future and McKay is another I would like to see main event someday, Mckay/Eagles is destined to happen sometime.

Portia Perez vs Tennille ** ½

-Not a big fan of Tennille yet, she hasn’t showed me anything to special really but this was a a fun match and I was glad Portia won.

Sara Del Ray vs Misaki Ohata ***

-One of my favorites of the show, Misaki is one of my favorite Joshi athletes and Death Ray is just beyond awesome. I loved this match and at times actually thought Ohata was going to win :) very good stuff.

MsChif vs Daffney ** ¾

-Another one that could have been much better with more time, if they ditched at least one other match to give this one more time it would have totally stolen the show for me as they are a dream match of mine. I hope they have a gimmick match of sorts soon.

Sarah Stock vs Nicole Matthews ** ¾

-Nicole is definitely going to shine in singles action someday and this match proves it. She held her own in there with the dark angel and kept up with her, this was one of the ones I was particularly looking forward to watching and I liked it.

Daizee Haze vs Ayumi Kurihara *** ¼

-This match much like `and the following two was a potential MOTN really like Daizee's new persona and the thing with the Joshi girls is getting better and better, I love seeing them in Shimmer competition and hope it continues.

Mercedes Martinez vs Hiroyo Matsumoto *** ½

-Excellent back and forth matchup was almost as awesome as the main event even. Martinez is another one of those girls who deserves the belt in the future after all she has done in the company.

Cheerleader Melissa vs Ayako Hamada ****

-It was just as spectacular as I knew it would be. These two have had so many awesome matches together, like the Flair/Steamboat of women's wrestlers. Could watch them go at it millions of times and it would never get boring. Melissa will definitely be the next to hold the Shimmer title, it cannot be any other way.



 
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Anyone got a list of must see SHIMMER matches for a newbie to the promotion?
My list would be

Sara Del Rey vs Mercedes Martinez - Volume 1 a fantastic match that really showed what Shimmer would go on to become

MsChif vs Cheerleader Melissa (Falls Count Anywhere) - Volume 4 probably the most brutal match in Shimmer history from probably its best feud

Daizee Haze vs Rebecca Knox (2/3 Falls) - Volume 5 a great technical match they didn't even hit the ropes until 10 minutes in and K-Knox rules

Sara Del Rey vs Sarah Stock - Volume 12 the best match in the title tournament to crown the first champion

Sara Del Rey vs MsChif - Volume 18 not the best match on the list but the reactions when MsChif wins the belt are great the whole crowd is in shock

Sara Del Rey vs Serena Deeb - Volume 22 probably Deeb's best Shimmer match so far and Del Rey is great in the heel role

Sara Del Rey vs Maddison Eagles - Volume 23 the best the current champ has looked Del Rey really brings out the best in her

Wesna vs Cheerleader Melissa (KO or Submission) - Volume 26 a great match as the two always have with some brutal strikes although their 40min Chickfight 9 match is probably better

Cheerleader Melissa vs Nicole Matthews - Volume 27 one of the matches (along with her earlier 2 with Daizee Haze) that proves Nicole has all the tools to be a single star

Ayako Hamada vs Sara Del Rey - Volume 28 quite simply the best match in Shimmer history

That would be my top ten I was trying to get a MsChif title defence in their but I did find a lot of them quite underwhelming and a lot of times she was outshone by other matches on the card.
 
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Speaking of the Homewreckers... It's a shame that two out of three of them are done with in-ring action. And the other is... Well, I honestly forgot where Rain is, wrestling promotion wise. (I could of sworn she was still in WSU, but I'm probably wrong).
 
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Speaking of the Homewreckers... It's a shame that two out of three of them are done with in-ring action. And the other is... Well, I honestly forgot where Rain is, wrestling promotion wise. (I could of sworn she was still in WSU, but I'm probably wrong).
WSU and possibly AAA i think though i could be wrong.
 
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Out of the current talent used on SPARKLE, Mia Yim NEEDS to debut on the main SHIMMER shows ASAP. She's one of the best young prospects in US women's wrestling today. Her kicks are awesome and I think she can only grow in the future. Same for Athena.

Looking at the past, I think one of the biggest losses early on was Rebecca Knox. Her 2/3 falls match against Daizee Haze still remains a highlight of SHIMMER. That injury must have been really bad for her not to return. She could have played a significant role if she was still active.

Oh and Melissa must win the title, it's way overdue.
 
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interesting take from the previous poster even though the comparisons of Shimmer and Walmart are completely ridiculous but whatever. I wouldn't own 5 Shimmer DVDs if i hadn't first tried the company by downloading a show. Same goes for the 145 ROH DVDs i now own. Wouldn't have bought any of them if i didn't first try them through the downloading a show. To me its basically a try before you buy. Is it illegal, YES but companies like ROH wouldn't have received the hundreds of dollars i spend with them each year if i hadn't first downloaded a show of theres.
 
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interesting take from the previous poster even though the comparisons of Shimmer and Walmart are completely ridiculous but whatever. I wouldn't own 5 Shimmer DVDs if i hadn't first tried the company by downloading a show. Same goes for the 145 ROH DVDs i now own. Wouldn't have bought any of them if i didn't first try them through the downloading a show. To me its basically a try before you buy. Is it illegal, YES but companies like ROH wouldn't have received the hundreds of dollars i spend with them each year if i hadn't first downloaded a show of theres.
The comparison just says that there's something new to try in a different brand (wrestling or toothpaste) and you've most likely already bought a wrestling PPV (maybe WWF/E) at some point in your life, or a popular brand of toothpaste in the comparison. So I guess I left out that there should be a free sample stand for the toothpaste...just like there's a videos page on the SHIMMER website that gives you a sample of the action for free.

Now here toothpaste analogy doesn't fit for sure, (imagine the mess...ew) so let's make it, I dunno, samples of a new ice cream flavor (oh wait, that's messy too, but moving along...) from a new competing brand (and now we're at Sams Club or Costco instead for authenticity). So you don't need to steal the competing brand's ice cream, 'Chunky Funky', just to get a taste since you have got a free sample. Analogy saved. So free samples of wrestling are the video pages on the SHIMMER site, or written recaps of PPVs.

Sure I may not be getting through to anyone enough for them to quit pirating, but still just showing that it isn't necessary. It is good that you bought all that merch though to support the companies that entertain you. That's what it comes down to really for me, if it's enriching your life in some way, you should spend the money even if you already stole it.

Now for SHIMMER related posting...Sara Del Rey rocks!
 
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