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Old 09-21-2011, 01:23 AM   #341 (permalink)
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It's one event with 4 dvds taped. If Jessica was booked the same way Rey is she would be the same level star. Madison Rayne is the only impact wrestler to have wrestled in shimmer, but it was her fake boobs that got her a job, she was also popular in other companies. Tenille got attention from WWE because of Lance Storm. Britani also had tryouts with WWE before she wrestled for shimmer. Shimmer is just a vacation for some wrestlers who come in and do this as a hobby. Shimmer doesn't provide them a platform to get real work.
Its 2 DAYS, 2 DVD's TAPED PER DAY.

If Jessica was booked the same way Rey was she wouldn't. She can't work a quarter as good as Rey can and struggles to be a decent babyface.

Also there have been plenty of Shimmer girls that went on to work for TNA.

Shimmer most definitely provided all of them with a platform to get work. Hell Madison Eagles wouldn't have gotten half the bookings shes had in Chikara and the various other US Indy promotions shes got if it weren't for her big push in Shimmer.
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:37 AM   #342 (permalink)
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Its 2 DAYS, 2 DVD's TAPED PER DAY.

If Jessica was booked the same way Rey was she wouldn't. She can't work a quarter as good as Rey can and struggles to be a decent babyface.

Also there have been plenty of Shimmer girls that went on to work for TNA.

Shimmer most definitely provided all of them with a platform to get work. Hell Madison Eagles wouldn't have gotten half the bookings shes had in Chikara and the various other US Indy promotions shes got if it weren't for her big push in Shimmer.
Yes, one event over two days with 4 dvds taped. Yes I agree with that.

That's silly, she all the tools. It comes down to the failure of the promoters.

They don't work there now. All of those wrestlers were prominent elsewhere as well. Shimmer didn't make them get a womens division, it didn't influence who they hired and who are stars for them ie Velvet Sky.

Shimmer got a handful of wrestlers some extra $10-$50 payday indy bookings. That I will admit Shimmer has helped. It's nothing significant or world changing.
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Yes, one event over two days with 4 dvds taped. Yes I agree with that.

That's silly, she all the tools. It comes down to the failure of the promoters.

They don't work there now. All of those wrestlers were prominent elsewhere as well. Shimmer didn't make them get a womens division, it didn't influence who they hired and who are stars for them ie Velvet Sky.

Shimmer got a handful of wrestlers some extra $10-$50 payday indy bookings. That I will admit Shimmer has helped. It's nothing significant or world changing.
What tools exactly are you referring to?
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:09 AM   #344 (permalink)
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What tools exactly are you referring to?
Look, presence, wrestling ability, she can cut good promos.

I'm a fan but so many of the Shimmer fans are marks, even the owners are marks. Everyone seems to over hype and blow what the company is way out of proportion. As if hyping up a wrestlers work rate will make them the best, JJ is good enough a wrestler to be a big star for a company that knew what they were doing.

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SHIMMER's done a great job of raising the profile of women's wrestling and wrestlers. It helped put independent women's wrestling on the map, it's hard to dispute or deny that. The success of SHIMMER has helped given women who aren't in WWE or TNA not only a platform to wrestle to the highest standard, but to get their names out there. And like smitlick said, it's given women from Australia, Canada, the UK and Japan the opportunity to go and wrestle in the States and gain more exposure. SHIMMER might not be a WWE, TNA, or even ROH scale promotion, but without it, independent women's wrestling would not have made the waves it has over the past few years. Of course nobody makes a living off of working solely for SHIMMER, but then again, there really aren't any non-WWE/Japan/Mexico companies where a young/less known wrestler can work solely for and making a living off of it.

On the subject of Jessica James, I don't see the appeal. She's okay in the ring, but that's pretty much it. Personality-wise she falls even flatter. Her babyface character is so generic and uninteresting and she has impressed me once yet. She's still young and new, so she's got time to grow, but for now... meh. There are other young girls in SHIMMER who have more to offer than she does, in my opinion at least. Athena's a lot more promising in the ring.


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It's one event with 4 dvds taped. If Jessica was booked the same way Rey is she would be the same level star. Madison Rayne is the only impact wrestler to have wrestled in shimmer, but it was her fake boobs that got her a job, she was also popular in other companies. Tenille got attention from WWE because of Lance Storm. Britani also had tryouts with WWE before she wrestled for shimmer. Shimmer is just a vacation for some wrestlers who come in and do this as a hobby. Shimmer doesn't provide them a platform to get real work.
-Madison
-Sarita
-Winter
-Cheerleader Melissa/Alissa Flash
-Ayako Hamada
-Taylor Wilde
-Nikki Roxx
-Awesome Kong
-Daffney

Quite a few, no? And another one now I guess, but I don't want to spoil it.
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Old 09-21-2011, 04:55 PM   #346 (permalink)
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Its 4 Volumes over 2 days. Your username says Shimmerfan yet your lack of intelligence says other wise. Also being small clearly matters. Mysterio is actually a good worker. Jessica isn't. Comparing the two is ridiculous. Also I'd say look at most of the TNA girls who got there start in Shimmer. Same goes for Tenille who went off to the WWE and its bought girls over to the US like Britani Knight and the Aussies who otherwise wouldn't have had much of a chance to work in the US without the Shimmer exposure.
Jessica James is a great worker, holy shit she has only been ranked the best texas female talent for the last 4 years running. Women like Kong and Mickie James also disagree with you but then again you are a mark and have no fucking clue about what real talent is like us wrestlers do. There is a reason Jessica James is about to get signed to Impact wrestling and that Danger chick will be working in front of 300 people for the rest of her life. JJ owns Danger
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Now the backstage stuff, I'm not gonna comment on. I don't know what's going on, and if the things brought up do come into fruition, that's a shame, because I liked the ACW girls being in SHIMMER.

However, I will say this. Having seen quite a bit of Jessica James' non-Shimmer work, I pretty much agree with WFF for once in regards to JJ (ignoring the bickering and Allison Danger bashing). She is a pretty dang good talent, on the mic, personality wise, and in the ring (though IMO, I think her ring work is the weak end of her arsenal). She's a great worker, but hasn't been able to show all that in SHIMMER.


I'm more of an Athena fan, but yeah, I hope things work out.
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SHIMMER's done a great job of raising the profile of women's wrestling and wrestlers. It helped put independent women's wrestling on the map, it's hard to dispute or deny that. The success of SHIMMER has helped given women who aren't in WWE or TNA not only a platform to wrestle to the highest standard, but to get their names out there. And like smitlick said, it's given women from Australia, Canada, the UK and Japan the opportunity to go and wrestle in the States and gain more exposure. SHIMMER might not be a WWE, TNA, or even ROH scale promotion, but without it, independent women's wrestling would not have made the waves it has over the past few years. Of course nobody makes a living off of working solely for SHIMMER, but then again, there really aren't any non-WWE/Japan/Mexico companies where a young/less known wrestler can work solely for and making a living off of it.
It helped raise modern American women's wrestling out of the ashes. It hasn't put women's wrestling 'on the map'. Gain more exposure? For what purpose, the wrestling Shimmer promotes isn't raising anyone's profile. Women's wrestling hasn't made waves, anyone who likes it goes looking for it watches what is out there. None of the all women's shows have been making waves!

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On the subject of Jessica James, I don't see the appeal. She's okay in the ring, but that's pretty much it. Personality-wise she falls even flatter. Her babyface character is so generic and uninteresting and she has impressed me once yet. She's still young and new, so she's got time to grow, but for now... meh. There are other young girls in SHIMMER who have more to offer than she does, in my opinion at least. Athena's a lot more promising in the ring.
You are just a Mark, just like a lot of the wrestlers who are Smakes. So full of yourself and your own fandom you're willing to join in the ritual throwing of the stones at a drop of a hat. JJ can be a top star, indie women's wrestling holds her back.

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-Winter
-Cheerleader Melissa/Alissa Flash
-Ayako Hamada
-Taylor Wilde
-Nikki Roxx
-Awesome Kong
-Daffney

Quite a few, no? And another one now I guess, but I don't want to spoil it.
HA ha ha! You are kidding right? All of them had gained notoriety elsewhere before getting a job with TNA. There are so few women wrestlers out there that they were bound to hire a few that worked for WSU and whoever else. Hamada for example worked for TNA before she ever Steeped in the rented ring Shimmer uses.
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You are just a Mark, just like a lot of the wrestlers who are Smakes. So full of yourself and your own fandom you're willing to join in the ritual throwing of the stones at a drop of a hat. JJ can be a top star, indie women's wrestling holds her back.
Wait, you're upset that I'm not a JJ fan? What?



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HA ha ha! You are kidding right? All of them had gained notoriety elsewhere before getting a job with TNA. There are so few women wrestlers out there that they were bound to hire a few that worked for WSU and whoever else. Hamada for example worked for TNA before she ever Steeped in the rented ring Shimmer uses.
Your point was that Madison Rayne is the only TNA woman to have worked for SHIMMER, which is the point I disputed.
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Nobody said she is the best thing going, so that's not a very good counter point.
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Jessica james is the best thing about Shimmer at this point imo. Grade A talent there, one of the best in texas by far. Pity she is leaving due to backstage politics.


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Because the booker doesn't know how to make anyone mean anything. If they did they would average more than 190 people at their two shows a year.
SHIMMER is a DVD series. It does amazingly well for itself.

As far as "two shows a year" the business model is perfect, when you're bringing in women from around the globe. The company were also looking to expand the number of shows by 50%, until the ROH takeover made things more complicated, as it happens.

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Jessica James is a great worker, holy shit she has only been ranked the best texas female talent for the last 4 years running. Women like Kong and Mickie James also disagree with you but then again you are a mark and have no fucking clue about what real talent is like us wrestlers do. There is a reason Jessica James is about to get signed to Impact wrestling and that Danger chick will be working in front of 300 people for the rest of her life. JJ owns Danger
Every single one of your posts, on the multiple banned accounts that you've had on this site, has this line in it. You're desperate to drop names and to tell everybody that you're an "insider" and also have some kind of delusional superiority complex, that springs up whenever you're challenged/proven wrong.

I don't know why you feel so superior because, as we've discovered many times, you're not especially knowledgeable about the wrestling business. I'd expect you to be more humble. Working for some carny indy in Texas, instead of having a credible real world job, does not put you above the average "mark". Sorry. Please PM a mod and ask them to ban you, again. Thanks.

Back on topic, if Jessica James isn't being used any more it's because she's one of the least talented people on the very talented SHIMMER roster and, generally speaking, isn't over with the fanbase.
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