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Awesome promo by Calliahn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=h3ewUBra3KM
But, fuck, until I saw the description I didn't even knew that there's an EVOLVE show at the Mania-Weekend and it's their "big" EVOLVE Title Tournament......
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Chikara All the Agents and Superhuman Crew


deviANT and Soldier Ant vs. assailANT and Fire Ant: **1/4

Delirious vs. Dasher Hatfield: DUD

The Batiri vs. Los Ice Creams: *

Ophidian vs. Frightmare: DUD

Jigsaw and The Shard vs. Sugar Dunkerton and Icarus: **

Green Ant vs. Eddie Kingston: ****

The Young Bucks and Kevin Steen vs. 3.0 and Gran Akuma: ***1/2

Chuck Taylor vs. Hallowicked: ***1/4

No Disqualification Match:
Mr. Touchdown vs. Archibald Peck: ***3/4


- Opener I thought was okay/decent. It got a little bit confusing at times but I think they did a pretty good job telling the story of Soldier Ant not wanting to fight his long time former Colony friend Fire Ant and vice versa. I enjoyed the dissension between deviANT and Solider Ant and the play off their storyline at the moment. It could have been done better and in a way that was less confusing or over the top. But this was to be expected by Chikara and I enjoyed it for what it was.

- Then the next three matches were just total garbage, the show went so downhill from here till Kingston vs Green Ant. Whilst I understood the thought process behind giving Dasher the fluke win it was done in a way that made Delirious look like a complete geek. Complete waste of a match right here, I don't understand why they couldnt have gone with a proper match with the same ending. It would have been a whole lot better. The feud itself has potential and I liked the attack afterwards. But I hated the booking here.

- Batiri vs Los Ice Creams was complete crap. Batiri are okay but Los Ice Creams are complete trash. This gimmick reminds me of those stupid gimmicks they did in the WCW days in the early 90's that were ran by non wrestling people. I understand that this is not supposed to be a serious gimmick but there are lines you don't cross. A tag team focused around Ice Cream? Stupid as hell even for Chikara. You had one of them running around like an idiot for half the match, really gimmicky mannerisms from both that were not funny at all and just really dragged down the match. Half the match was just them fucking about. It was horrible. This gets a * because Batiri did their best to carry this thing and then when Los Ice Creams actually tried to wrestle they weren't complete garbage. This was just a waste of time though.

- That match was the worst match of the night up till that point because Delirious's match wasn't really even a match and I thought it couldn't get worse but it did. Ophidian vs. Frightmare was terrible but probably wouldn't have been worse than the previous tag match if it weren't for the clusterfuck confusing finish which didn't make any sense to me whatsoever. Really confusing, don't understand what the point of it was. There may have been a completely logical point to it but it was so botched that it really doesn't matter. Frightmare did his thing but Ophidian was garbage and much like with Los Ice Creams he spent so much time fucking around outside the ring trying to sell his snake gimmick which I did not see any point of it in context with the match. It had no bearing to how the match was worked except for a few gimmick type offences which I'll admit were pretty cool but still, he spent at least 5 mins wasting time outside. POINTLESS. That combined with the crap finish earns this match a DUD.

- Jigsaw/Shard vs FIST was alright. The first half of the match really didn't engage me and it seemed to drag a lot. It picked up half way through towards the finish. The stuff with Icarus and Dunkerton as partners was good. Dunkerton overall was really entertaining to watch. Jigsaw was his awesome self but this didn't really hit its full potential. Pretty inoffensive match though compared to some of the previous matches.

- After a pretty horrific first half of the show the show really picks itself up on the final 4 matches. Kingston vs Green Ant was a great match. Green Ant plays the underdog really well overall taking a lot of punishment to the mid section. Kingston's selling was a major factor into why this match worked so well. Green Ant wasn't a threat until Kingston tweaked his knee. From there he sold his knee and the offense Green Ant laid into his knee perfectly throughout. Green Ant also sold Kingston's punishment really well. Steen's interference I thought was significant enough to see how Green Ant pulled off the upset but wasn't too much that it took away from the match. Match of the night for me and Chikara MOTY thus far.

- After this we get a typically really good Young Bucks match in this 6 man tag. Young Bucks and Steen's teamwork and chemistry was hilarious throughout. This was just so much fun to watch overall.

- Chuck Taylor vs Hallowicked was also a really good match. Hallowicked's lack of selling towards the end hurt it a little but didn't take away too much. This just worked at a very good pace that was intriguing throughout.

- The main event between Archibald Peck and Mr Touchdown was one of the most fun matches I've seen this year. Heavily story driven, this has a great combination of wrestling, brawling and comedy. The story around Archibald getting his revenge and around the return of the silly toy pet Sapphire was done really well and was thoroughly entertaining throughout. This is the type of match that I feel makes Chikara different from other promotions.

Overall, atrocious first half undercard that was made up for by the last 4 matches. So just skip and watch the last 4 matches so you don't have to go through the crap.
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"Stupid even for Chikara" line about the Ice Creams couldn't be more wrong. Those are icons within the promotion. One of the biggest example of how these star ratings don't really do Chikara justice. Or maybe comedy matches aren't your cup of tea.

Ophidian's stalling on the outside in the match vs Frightmare feeds into his paranoia that Amasis is returning. Was logical considering it went with the current angle. That was the only part of the match that actually came off well. Tis a shame your first match seeing Ophidian had to be that train-wreck.

Booking in the match vs Delirious didn't surprise me. Delirious doesn't wrestle very often and it was a shocker when he was originally booked vs Dasher to begin with. Fact that it was only 50 seconds makes so much sense now. Too bad it wasn't a match, b/c I'm sure it would've been good. If only Delirious wasn't nearly semi-retired at this rate.

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ROH Defy or Deny II



1) Adam Cole vs Silas Young ~ **3/4


2) Bobby Fish vs Tadarius Thomas ~ *


3) Charlie Haas vs Rhett Titus ~ *1/2


4) S.C.U.M. (Steve Corino, Jimmy Jacobs, & Rhino) vs Jay Lethal, Jay Briscoe, & Mark Briscoe ~ **1/2


5) Matt Hardy vs BJ Whitmer ~ ***1/4


6) Davey Richards vs Kyle O'Reilly ~ 3/4*


7) Defy Or Deny Match
Kevin Steen vs Roderick Strong vs Eddie Edwards vs Michael Elgin ~ ***



~ Cole vs Young was solid. Exactly what an opener usually should be - fast and gets the fans into the event. Quick offense filled this one. Which was easy for Cole to work and Young got to display to fans what he has to offer from a purely offensive minded standpoint. It came off much better than the match vs Strong did the night prior. It't not a grand affair, but more than enough to be enjoyed. Adam Cole swag wins again.

~ Tadarius Thomas is so bad. Bobby Fish insults him by wanting to do an "urban" spin on the Code of Honor. It was the highlight. Bobby Fish's heel antics are swell in my book. This match was not. So bland. Not Fish's fault. He tried. ALL THOMAS DOES IS KICK. Block a move, one shitty kick. Counter here, another shitty kick. He's rocking the Michelle McCool type of work here. KICKS ARE THE ANSWER. Dude, get some talent or go away. No one should have to stomach this blah fest.

~ Haas vs Titus...I didn't hate. It certainly wasn't "good", yet it only fell into the nothing special vibe. Which I suppose could be considered a win. I fully expected to go all "omg it's Haas vs Titus, this will suck blah blah blah" on it. Ending was flat - Titus falls into the knees of Haas after a frog splash attempt and that's all. Eh. I'm just happy it wasn't a DUD and went by fairly fast for 12 minutes.

~ No complaints with the 6 man outside of Mark Briscoe's stupid redneck kung-fu. I hate that in every match he's in so this is nothing new. There were two FIP segments. A bit on the basic side. Not withstanding it was a trait I appreciated seeing. All in all a solid enough trios bout. S.C.U.M. winning certainly put a smile on my face.

~ Don't understand how Hardy vs Whitmer here got a bit of flak for being uneventful. It was the MOTN for me. Both did a good job in their roles & Whitmer's selling was on point to put over his damaged neck from Final Battle. The story in here actually got my interest. This is the Matt Hardy I like to see show up these days. Not the one who worked vs Rhett Titus in an absolute stinker on ROH TV. Good match. One I wouldn't mind watching a few more times over.

~ Davey vs O'Reilly...ugh. I got exactly what I expected. Moving on.

~ Main event was good. Certainly not in love with it like others, but it's good and that works for me. Negative was it went a little long for my tastes. Along the lines of the Armageddon 2004 four way - without the epic Undertaker vs Eddie sequence. Didn't need to go this long to prove its point. Elgin dominated a strong portion of the match using his impressive strength. Dude deadlifted Steen. idk how I feel about his work, that's very impressive. Like I've said a million times already, he needs more than some flashy power moves to really move me though. Strong one ups Elgin again by eliminating him. Fitting move. Strong gets double teamed by Eddie & Steen which leads to him being subsequently knocked out and eliminated. Down to Steen vs Eddie. Eddie was a little off on this night. I won't lie. Steen finishes him off quickly with a sick package piledriver on the apron. Thus stating Eddie Edwards can't get a championship match during this reign of Kevin Steen. Wonder why he was put on the chopping block. No matter I suppose. Can't see Steen's reign lasting too much longer...sadly. I did expect a bit better going in considering some of the reviews I read. Overall not much to gripe about. It's good. I can be happy a main event didn't leave me cringing after I saw it. It could have been SOOOO much longer too. ROH controlled themselves and only went 20 instead of 40. I thank them for that. Hate when indie promotions do nonsense like that. (PWG you know what I'm talking about back in the day.)
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I don't mind comedy matches but not ones where talent are running around like idiots for half the match which adds literally nothing whatsoever. Nothing in terms of the match psychology or storytelling and more importantly nothing that is adding to the entertainment value of it. At least in this viewers mind. If the Los Ice Cream weren't so blatantly a comedy act I would rank them as bad as some of the acts that came out of the Jim Herd era of WCW. Yes that bad, I don't care if you think I'm not "understanding" Chikara's mindset. It's a fucking terrible gimmick and whats worse is in that particular match they made the worst of it possible almost.

With Ophidian I did not have the luxury of the back story with his current angle. The commentators made no mention of it whatsoever. Just pretty much saying what I was thinking as in what the hell was he doing. Not my fault that the commentators made no comment on him being paranoid about Amasis returning. If it were mentioned, I probably would have understood what he was doing. But they made no mention of it and it did nothing for the match he was in. So it still remains a DUD.

The Delirious booking does make sense but I absolutely hate the way it was presented.
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Booking in the match vs Delirious didn't surprise me. Delirious doesn't wrestle very often and it was a shocker when he was originally booked vs Dasher to begin with. Fact that it was only 50 seconds makes so much sense now. Too bad it wasn't a match, b/c I'm sure it would've been good. If only Delirious wasn't nearly semi-retired at this rate.
He wrestled at Wrestling is Respect's first show, and is scheduled for it's second show too. So he's not completely done.

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This is hilarious to me.
Why? Shouldn't it be obvious what I meant? There is comedy and then there is complete and utter stupidity. I like a lot of Chikara's comedy in matches and they strike gold more often than not. The match in question I was talking about was definitely not one of those times.
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Awesome promo by Calliahn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=h3ewUBra3KM
But, fuck, until I saw the description I didn't even knew that there's an EVOLVE show at the Mania-Weekend and it's their "big" EVOLVE Title Tournament......

Yet you commented about it here...
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/other-...end-cards.html

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Yeah I can't quite get the justification either. Knowing they're meant to be lighthearted, know how Chikara rolls, yet claim them to be on a whole different level than the rest of the wacky antics seen on a general show. It's splitting hairs.
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Yet you commented about it here...
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/other-...end-cards.html

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totally forgot about it.

And how can you blame me? Gabe booked the full card, posted it in one day and that's it. This Calliahn promo is the first somewhat hype for this show that I saw personally lol.
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