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ROH Defy or Deny 2013

Adam Cole vs. Silas Young: ** 3/4

Pretty good opening match thanks to the awesomeness of Cole. Young added very little to the match however and did not impress me. His heat segment was dull and dragged on too long despite the match only being 9 mins or so. It added next to nothing to the match. Cole's comeback took the match up a notch though and produced some pretty good back and forth action. The finish I felt came off really stupid as well with Young doing his headstand thing. He came across like a complete geek thinking he could be flashy and get away with it. Still, pretty good opener.

Tadarius Thomas vs. Bobby Fish: **1/2

Second match I felt was pretty good too and smartly worked with Fish working on the mid section of Thomas before Thomas made a mistake missing the knee into the turnbuckle which Fish took advantage of working on the leg and gaining the submission win. Not a lot of big spots in this one but solid selling from Thomas whose capoeira style seemed to mesh a lot better with Fish than with other recent opponents I've him work with. Though he still is green. Enjoyable while it lasted.

Charlie Haas vs. Rhett Titus: *3/4

This was a crap boring match. A lot of useless brawls that went nowhere and a lot of boring rest holds from Haas. He worked the match at a stale pace. The match started to pick up a little bit on Titus's comeback and then they did the stupid ending with the beer which made Rhett look like an absolute geek. I have no idea what the thought process behind it was it was just stupid and left me shaking my head. Terribly booked ending. Crap match.

S.C.U.M. vs. Jay Lethal and The Briscoe Brothers: ***

This was a fun brawl of a match. The story made sense with the brawl at the beginning with all the competitors having history and wanting to get at each others throats. S.C.U.M isolated their opponents well and used their cohesion to their advantage whilst the Briscoes and Lethal got their little comebacks in. Lethal and Jay sold well for SCUM, at least we didn't get much of a heat segment with Mark who tends to no sell like a motherfucker. In the end we had Lethal and the Briscoes turn the tables and isolate S.C.U.M at certain times before Rhyno recovered and hit the gore on Mark for the win. Fun match, nothing special but it was really enjoyable to watch.

BJ Whitmer vs. Matt Hardy: **1/2

This was a pretty good story based match surrounding BJ's injured neck from back at Final Battle which ROH have turned into an injury angle. A lot of good psychology by Hardy targeting the neck throughout. What did make me shake my head was the fact BJ kicked out of two twist of fates. This is one of the things that bugs me about ROH because this was on only a house show match that really didn't mean anything so it just makes Hardy's finisher look really weak, especially on an injured Whitmer. I understand they were going for the angle that Whitmer is a tough son of a bitch but it boggles my mind. Then you had Rhett come down and throw in the towel for Whitmer to sell the injury angle and also create tension between the two. I had no problems with it but considering there have been matches where wrestlers have taken a lot more punishment and that angle hasn't been done it made me scratch my head.

Davey Richards vs. Kyle O'Reilly: *** 1/4

Good match here but not without flaws and could have been a lot better mainly due to O'Reilly's lack of consistency when it comes to in ring psychology. Early on in the match he got Richards neck injured and targeted for a few moves but then he completely forgot about the neck until near the very end. It bothered me because it didn't stay consistent on the story of the match and therefore a degree of substance in the match was lacking. Davey did his best to sell it throughout the match but O'Reilly not targeting on it enough hurt it. Richards was a lot more tolerable in this single's match than a lot of his matches, he toned down his style a lot here where he wasn't throwing out as many moves for the sake of it and where most of his offense seemed to have purpose. O'Reilly however was guilty of what Richards tends to do in his matches and was throwing out moves and forgetting to target the neck to sell the story. There were some nice little side stories in this match with O'Reilly going back and keep trying to go for a variation of a back suplex (forgot the damn name of it...) and also the ending of the match with O'Reilly refusing to give up before Richards finally finished him off. Good match that was enjoyable but could have been a lot better.

Defy or Deny Elimination Match:
Kevin Steen vs. Michael Elgin vs. Eddie Edwards vs. Roderick Strong: **** 1/4


Awesome main event right here and sold the theme of the show perfectly. This match was really worked and booked smartly in a way where all four men came out looking really strong. Elgin looking like a beast with his feats of strength and having it take all three men to gang up on him to eliminate him. In fact, there was an extended story surrounding just that throughout the first portion of the match which was told really well. Roderick was made to look badass in defeat as he would not give up to the Achilles lock before Steen did a somersault leg drop causing him to pass out. He didn't tap. Finally it took Steen a low blow and two package piledrivers including one on the apron to finally pin Eddie for the win. And of course Steen survived all three men in a strong victory for the champion. Long term storyline implications with Eddie not being able to challenge for the title as long as Steen is the champion as well so this was a very very well booked match in both how the match was worked and also in making it a match that meant something. Definitely the ROH match of the year so far.

Overall, this was a better show than The Hunt for Glory. As well as the matches this show had some important storyline and booking progression going into the 11th anniversary show which meant something. But again, this show could have been a lot better from ROH's perspective.
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Downloaded Defy or Deny last night. Main event sounds promising. Here's to hoping the show removes the taint from their previous show.
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Just got back a little while ago from SOL's (Sensory Overload Lucha) debut show, and it was fun. Felt a lot like an ISW show. There were no match of the year candidates, but the main event between Hallowicked/Fire Ant was a lot of fun, JT Dunn/Akuma was better than I thought, and there was a very fun 4 way tag team match.

The highlight of the show, however, was definitely during the main event, when a random song accidentally went off, and Pinkie Sanchez, while on commentary, wearing a Whinnie the Pooh costume, turns and yells over to the sound guy, "Are you drunk?"

Overall it was a comedy show, so you shouldn't go into it with overly high expectations but I was very entertained. If they keep running shows this close to my house I'll gladly keep attending.
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I read about a great 6 man tag involving Icarus and the show was said to be very un family friendly by the promotion. Did any of the CHIKARA guys go out of their comfort zone to be more adult oriented?
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Yeah, I was more entertained by Icarus & Akuma than I ever have been. Icarus was hysterical on the mic before/during the match. This was the first time I've seen Icarus outside of Chikara and he was awesome. Akuma really tried, but the crowd couldn't bring themselves to care, which is sad, because I'd say he put on a decent showing.

I also saw Orange Cassidy in that Icarus 6 man, and this was the first time seeing him live outside his other Chikara personality, and he also played a crucial role in that match. Shard/Aaron Epic was also a lot better than I thought it would be, especially considering it was supposed to be Epic/Kingston originally, which I was pumped for.

Way too much Steve Weiner though, I'm fine with him in small doses but tonight was just a little too much for my liking.
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Was wondering if anyone could let me know if it's possible to get NJPW dvd's here in the states somehow? From what I've seen, they're only available on their site and they don't ship here... which is a shame.
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Was wondering if anyone could let me know if it's possible to get NJPW dvd's here in the states somehow? From what I've seen, they're only available on their site and they don't ship here... which is a shame.
http://new.ivpvideos2.com/index.php?cPath=1_704

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I've always wondered if IVP (and other sellers) weren't just throwing together discs of shows they downloader/bought and are making a quick buck illegally.

Do they own the rights to sell the shows or are they like any other DVD sheller?
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I doubt IVP has any kind of agreement with the companies on their site. Tape traders have been doing this since the dawn of the VCR, especially since NJPW (or any foreign company I know of) doesn't really have an outlet to allow international fans access to the shows, I don't see it as sketchy.
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Yeah, I was more entertained by Icarus & Akuma than I ever have been. Icarus was hysterical on the mic before/during the match. This was the first time I've seen Icarus outside of Chikara and he was awesome. Akuma really tried, but the crowd couldn't bring themselves to care, which is sad, because I'd say he put on a decent showing.

I also saw Orange Cassidy in that Icarus 6 man, and this was the first time seeing him live outside his other Chikara personality, and he also played a crucial role in that match. Shard/Aaron Epic was also a lot better than I thought it would be, especially considering it was supposed to be Epic/Kingston originally, which I was pumped for.

Way too much Steve Weiner though, I'm fine with him in small doses but tonight was just a little too much for my liking.
This sounds like one promising show. It's always fun to see the Chikara guys outside of their "family friendly" element of said promotion. I still can't believe Fire Ant is Orange Cassidy. Seems like a whole new worker with the mask on.

Shard getting more bookings elsewhere is . Guy is good. Icarus is the man. I hope more realize that sooner rather than later.
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