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Old 02-12-2013, 12:25 PM   #8011 (permalink)
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I don't know that I can see Davis as EVOVLE champ simply because no one cares about him at all. I'm sure Chucky T is going to lose since they're getting rid of the records concept after the tournament but I think for the first champ and for a company that needs excitement you have to have a champ that people want to see.

And you just know that Shingo's other opponent in April is going to be Sami Callihan.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:44 PM   #8012 (permalink)
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I don't know that I can see Davis as EVOVLE champ simply because no one cares about him at all. I'm sure Chucky T is going to lose since they're getting rid of the records concept after the tournament but I think for the first champ and for a company that needs excitement you have to have a champ that people want to see.

And you just know that Shingo's other opponent in April is going to be Sami Callihan.
I agree, however given his build and investment it would make sense from a storyline standpoint as he's been one of the most vocal concerning the EVOLVE title. Now that I think about it, they could let AR Fox have it but since he's one half of the tag champs I don't they'll go that route either which lead me to Chucky T by default considering he's had the best record even though they're getting rid of the concept.

I don't think anything would be particularly wrong with Callihan/Shingo as Finlay/Callihan style but more in your face comes to mind when I think of that pairing, depending on if you tolerate those kinds of matches of course.
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At this point, the smartest thing is to keep the strap on Gargano ALAP, until they build Fox, Swann and Ricochet even more, than pick one of them. Unless they go to WWE this year. Putting the title on a Japanese guy is two steps back, tbh, it would nix Gargano's effort in reign just like that.

As far as Evolve title goes, I'm starting to lose the interest in the fed after they announced they're leaving the W/L records system. Now they're just another generic Indy fed with same type of storytelling and in-ring work that can be seen on many other places, only in front of bigger and hotter crowds that actually care. They're even less than that, because they don't run frequently. Gabe's explaantion was "oh, we don't have a big roster for that, etc."... Well, that's what happens when you build your shows around guys who are randomers, and who are about to get picked up by bigger companies (Hero, Claudio, Davey, Cole, Kyle, Moxley, Finlay, Generico, Low-Ki, and now Del Sol and Callihan).

That's a chain: unconsistent roster leads to uninvested crowds who don't come back, wrestlers leave because you don't draw, etc.
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:46 PM   #8014 (permalink)
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Well Gabe really never had a clear direction he wanted to take EVOLVE in the first place once the spat with him and Davey occurred. He is right that the Leaderboard concept never took off but he never ran enough shows to separate EVOLVE and DGUSA besides the perception that EVOLVE=DGUSA - Dragon Gate guys except for Ricochet. Maybe it would have done better if they ran shows every month but Gabe's priority is DGUSA and honestly if he could run DGUSA shows more EVOLVE wouldn't even exist now.

As for the Freedom Gate, I'd say Ricochet is next in line since he is about the only DG guy that can show up to every show, is from the US, probably isn't going to WWE/TNA anytime soon and can get crowds into a match.

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So a guy that couldn't work a 5 min. match and a woman who didn't win her match get another title shot with the guy who WON Cage of Death and has done nothing important since. Fantastic.
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I hope MASADA retains so his match with Kasai at WrestleCon is for the strap.
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Well considering Hyde's done nothing with Tremont since COD, Gacy sucks and Von Eerie's a woman Masada should retain if they want the match to be for the title, but it doesn't have to be. Problem is if it isn't then it'd most likely be Gacy/Tremont with Tremont as champ and that is not a match I'd put on for a big show.

Also, I get that people liked the Yim/Excellent matches but they can cool it with the intergender matches now.
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Gabe should just run all his shows under the DGUSA banner and just use the Japan fly ins for certain weekends. 2 names for the same brand is really pointless. And now they're adding an EVOLVE title? For real? Unless Gargano wins then it's useless. If they make Chuck Taylor the first EVOLVE champion that would be hilarious given what the concept was meant to be at the start. Same product, different names. Very silly.
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Gabe should just run all his shows under the DGUSA banner and just use the Japan fly ins for certain weekends. 2 names for the same brand is really pointless. And now they're adding an EVOLVE title? For real? Unless Gargano wins then it's useless. If they make Chuck Taylor the first EVOLVE champion that would be hilarious given what the concept was meant to be at the start. Same product, different names. Very silly.
I agree completely. It would make sense if it was like an NXT/WWE thing where the younger guys/rookies/prospects spend most of their time in EVOLVE and work their way into DGUSA, but currently it's just stupid. Honestly, they'll probably just end up merging the DGUSA title and the EVOLVE title in a year or two anyways. They're essentially killing everything that was unique about EVOLVE by taking away the leaderboards and records and stuff. It had an MMA type feel when it started, but now it's just a generic wrestling promotion with funding.
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National Pro Wrestling Day: Afternoon Show 2/2/13



1) ROH Tag Team Championship
Jay Briscoe & Mark Briscoe(c) vs S.C.U.M. (Steve Corino & Jimmy Jacobs) ~ *1/2



2) Saturyne vs Juan Franciso De Coronado ~ 3/4*



3) Tommy Dreamer & Hale Collins vs Vik Dalishus & Ben Ortiz ~ DUD



4) Josh Alexander vs Ethan Page ~ **



5) Arik Royal & Chiva Kid vs Ric Converse & Trevor Lee ~ *1/2



6) Three Way Match
Matt Tremont vs Rory Mondo vs Latin Dragon ~ DUD



7) Mike Quackenbush vs Colt Cabana ~ ***



8) Resistance Pro Tag Team Championship
Sugar Dunkerton & Aaron Epic vs Eric Corvis & Chris Dickinson ~ 3/4*



9) Rey De Voladores Tournament - First Round: Four Way Elimination Match
Too Cold Scorpio vs Shane Hollister vs Oliver Grimsley vs Jo Jo Bravo ~ DUD



10) American Beetle & Neo Teppan vs Dr. Cube's Super Minions ~ N/R



11) Drew Gulak vs Francis O'Rourke ~ ***1/2



12) Rey De Voladores Tournament - First Round: Four Way Elimination Match
A.C.H. vs Surfer Mitch vs Bolt Brady vs Lukas Sharp ~ *



~ Ring of Honor showcase. Opener was kept short. Was a bit more fun than usual. Maybe it was the change of scenery for the ROH guys. It was nothing special of course. Probably my favorite Briscoes match in a LONG time b/c it wasn't horrible.

~ Wrestling is FUN! showcase here. Saturyne is still a bit green, but she's got her matches when she kind of shines. This was a bit of both here. Didn't help that her opponent was crap. That dude stinks. Saturyne manages to turn it up towards the end and salvage the match a bit. It wasn't "awful" as much as it was sloppy in parts.

~ House of Hardcore showcase. So that's why Dreamer is here. Trash match. Dreamer is a cool nostalgia act and that's it. Collins was a blur. Don't think he did anything of note. Can't remember a single moment of the match with him actually. Vic is so fat veteran and he's bad. Ortiz is some fat rookie who made his debut here. He wasn't bad, just trying his best to do his part. So credit to him. He has a pass if he didn't add much here, but the rest did nothing to make this work.

~ Absolute Intense Wrestling showcase. I'm familar with both Alexander and Page. They're solid workers. So I wasn't surprised by them giving me a decent, watchable match. It was nothing more than both guys showcasing their arsenal on one another. Page's hot girlfriend/valet eats a SICK boot to the face. My jaw dropped b/c of how hard the dame took it.

~ CWF - Mid Atlantic showcase. This match was ALL Chiva Kid. My stars did he make an impression here. This guy was explosive. Made all the other slugs in the match look even worse. Chiva Kid busts out a motherfucking REVERSE 630 SENTON aka a DOUBLE FLIP MOONSAULT. Holy crap. I liked this guy more than most I've seen from that overhyped kid A.C.H.

~ CZW showcase. It looked like a styles clash on paper. It was a styles clash in the ring. Bad match. Tremont looked the best here. And it wasn't even a deathmatch. Mondo botches a lot. Dragon does too. They suck. Why couldn't CZW produce a better match on this show? Good for Tremont getting to beat these guys up here and there during the match.

~ Wrestling is Art showcase. Classic Colt vs Quack stuff here. A short, wildly fun, World of Sport style, straightforward hold for hold wrestling encounter. Colt wins in a little under 8 minutes. Right man won. Colt had a ceremony for him following the match. He is no dubbed the "Ambassador of Indie Wrestling" I like it.

~ Beyond Wrestling showcase. Blah. I have nothing more to say about this tag match than that. Beyond wrestling is pretty supid. I don't see the appeal, personally.

~ Pro Wrestling Insider presents the RDV tournament. Fuck me. This match was one of the worst of the year. Without a doubt. Which sucks b/c Hollister is a good talent and he was grouped with such trash. Grimsley & Bravo were awful. Just, really bad work by both. Then there was Scorpio who was moving slower than a corpse & zombie lovechild out there. He made current Rob Van Dam look as if he's in his prime right now. I couldn't believe how bad this was. I guess I'm used to Rey De Voladores matches being GOOD.

~ Kaiju Big Battel showcase. No words can describe this. Has to be seen to belived. Kaiju is simply this: Wrestling meets Japanese Monster Movies. You'll either enjoy their work or it will be too out there for you. I think they're fantastic so this was a beacon of light.

~ Wrestling is Respect showcase. A really good match right here. Gulak & O'Rourke brought their A-game for this one. I was digging the way it was worked. Very ground based for a bulk of the match. Lots of hold/counter hold type stuff. It was a refreshing change of pace from the norm that was on this event. You felt some real effort by the two. O'Rourke hits a top rope half and half suplex on Gulak. It was nuts. Toss in some slick counters that I marked for & all in all this was a real gem. So much so it's going on my MOTYC list. It's a low one of course (among many ***1/2 level bouts I've seen so far) but it deserves to make it with my snowflake assessment. Good match. Makes me want to check the promotion out. Gulak has really upped his work since the last time I saw him.

~ Another pretty crummy four way elimination match here. A.C.H. didn't impress me again. Bolt Brady was bad and looked very awkward when working. Lukas Sharp was bleh. Surfer Mitch had a few bright points on being a typical indie worker instead of a bad one. Until he attempted a 450 senton on Sharp and he fell right on his fucking head. What a chump. That botch totally eliminated Sharp btw. A.C.H. wins in what was going to be the obvious result. After seeing the other 3 in the match, I'm glad he did. Sadly for him, he has to duke it out with Scorpio on the Evening show. Bet that will suck just as much as most of this event did.

~ Ok, while I wasn't much of a fan of quite a bit on this show, I do think it needs to become a yearly event. It's too much of a great idea not to be. Only lets hope next year we'll get workers who step it up and aren't either bad/green/have no idea how to work a nicely structured match etc. I can see why some people don't have too much faith in the current state of US Indies atm. Tbf, these weren't exactly ALL of the top flight workers.
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ROh: Border Wars

Edwards vs Rhino **3/4
6 man Tag ***
Lethal vs Ciampa ***
Storm vs Bennett ***1/4
Elgin vs Cole ***
Strong vs Finley ***
WGTT vs Briscoe's **1/2
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Really consistent show. You could argue every match is 3 stars and you wouldn't necessarily be wrong. Although like just about everyone I HATED the ending to the tag title match and docked that match accordingly.
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