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Old 12-21-2012, 01:16 AM   #7411 (permalink)
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ROH Final Battle 2012


1) Roderick Strong vs Michael Elgin ~ *3/4


2) Jay Lethal vs Rhino ~ *


3) Prince Nana vs RD Evans ~ *1/2


4) New York City Street Fight
Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team (Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas) vs BJ Whitmer & Rhett Titus ~ **


5) Mike Bennett vs Jerry Lynn ~ **3/4


6) American Wolves (Davey Richards & Eddie Edwards) vs Kyle O'Reilly & Bobby Fish ~ ***1/4


7) Adam Cole vs Matt Hardy ~ ***


8) ROH Tag Team Championship - Three Way Match
S.C.U.M.(c) (Steve Corino & Jimmy Jacobs) vs The Briscoe Brothers vs Caprice Coleman & Cedric Alexander ~ *1/2


9) ROH World Championship - Ladder War IV
Kevin Steen(c) vs El Generico ~ **3/4



~ Strong vs Elgin was a vanilla stiff-fest. I wasn't crazy about it. Did it's job to pump up the crowd with it's straightforward approach. Pretty ideal opener even if it wasn't the best match.

~ Lethal vs Rhino was beyond uninteresting. I was looking forward to this. Now I'm glad TNA never gave us this match during the time both were employed. Rhino does some workover segments that nobody cares about, Lethal hits his beautiful Lethal Injection finisher and that's all. Ok, moving on.

~ Evans vs Nana worked. Glad Evans got the win since I'm a huge fan of his. Unchained Melody is such a legit finisher. No complaints here.

~ Street Fight was decent. Which, I'll actually say is a win considering I expected CRAP thanks to WGTT being involved. Christmas tree bumps, some gnarly moments with a guard rail, PAYDIRT THROUGH THE TABLE (ruled), & the 10,000th death of BJ Whitmer happened in this one. Fair enough match for Shelton to leave the company on. It could have been so much worse.

~ Lynn vs Bennett was entertaining. I've always said Bennett is rocking that WWE type style and it was coming out in full force here. I liked the psychology of the match. Bennett's finisher is lame though. He must change it. Lynn gets revenge following the match. MURDERS MARIA WITH A DDT. Fitting ceremony follows for Lynn. Great booking, imo. Bennett gets the big win. Lynn has the last laugh and still goes out in perfect fashion. Good stuff.

~ holy shit was I shocked at how much fun I had watching the Wolves vs New Wolves tag. I really don't know what to say other than it was lots of fun to watch (I think I covered that, no?) and I'm glad as hell I didn't have to sit through a 20+ minute match with Davey & O'Reilly going at it. Bobby Fish as a heel is working for me. I like his work on the mic. Edwards is good. He helped keep this match from not going over the top.

~ Cole vs Hardy went at a million miles per hour. Fast paced contest. Hardy's ego gave the match a nice dynamic. His heat was sort of immense. Nothing like 2005 and NOTHING, not even close to where Jeff's was though. We all didn't expect that even with Hardy's "icon" gimmick. Good match overall. Isn't MOTYC level, but good. Hardy cheats his way to a win. He's sticking around. Cole will get the W eventually in 2013. I can see that win being used a springboard into the world championship picture. I'm down. Cole OWNS.

~ Tag Titles was meh. 7 minutes and a whole lot of random stuff going on. Didn't care for it. Briscoes win in the most underwhelming ROH title change I think I've ever seen. Pass.

~ Plain and simple the main event was solid. Only, there was something off. It didn't have the feel that ALL of their other matches had. From ROH or PWG. I'll always give these two tons and tons of credit for the brutality they inflict on each other. I couldn't help but feel this was such a flat way to end the program in the company. It really sucked the life out of me when they took a long time to set up spots. It relied too much on "do a spot" nothing "do a spot" nothing and so on. F-5 through the table was neat. I got a kick out of that. Generico dies in grand fashion. Steen retains. Once again, solid, but could have been so much more.

All in all the event was decent. Nothing was worth really going out of your way to see, but it's worth a watch if you interested. It blew away Final Battle 2011. Had no DUD's or matches that made you upset to be watching. Worst match was easily Lethal vs Rhino, but I'd credit the worst part of the show to the embarrassingly shitty Mike Mondo promo. BITCH STICKS? You're horrible. Go away. Decent show. Lets hope 2013 turns into a good year for ROH with Delirious running things now.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:50 AM   #7412 (permalink)
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PWG during that time period was unreal. I'm not sure if they had a show that wasn't great from 2009 through 2011. I'm not sure if any indy company can make that same claim. They aren't doing as well now but that's just due to the general quality of indy wrestlers worsening due to so many guys going to WWE.
Maybe not AS WELL but damn if Threemendous III and Death To All But Metal weren't awesome this year!
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2012 certainly has been a successful year for PWG. It's only thanks to some shows not being AS strong as the stretch between 2009 - 2011 it almost gets an inferior rep. You can't go wrong with any of the 4. PWG was awesome all the way back in 2003. It's grown to a level that's honestly unreal nowadays. I remember when I was saddened about the move from The Sweatbox to Reseda. Oh, how I was so wrong. Reseda is 1000x better.
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Spoiler for PWG Failure to Communicate Review:

PWG Failure to Communicate

1. Joey Ryan vs. Ryan Taylor - ** 3/4
2. Michael Elgin vs. Eddie Edwards - *** 1/4
3. B-Boy and Famous B vs. RockNES Monsters - ***
4. Davey Richards vs. Sami Callihan - *** 1/4
5. Roderick Strong vs. Rich Swann - ** 3/4
6. Brian Cage vs. Willie Mack - ** 3/4
7. Young Bucks vs. El Generico and Kenny Omega - **** 1/4
8. Kevin Steen vs. Ricochet vs. Michael Elgin - **** 1/2

Overall: 8/10

Undercard was pretty disappointing and the Elgin/Richards and Richards/Callihan matches didn't quite get to *** 1/2 but the last 2 matches were awesome. I will probably be in the minority here but I thought the main event was the MOTN and one of my MOTYs. Triple threats are my favorite type of match and it featured 3 of my favorite wrestlers right now, and all 3 of them put on 2 of the best matches at BOLA 2012 so I knew it was going to be great, but it just flowed so perfectly and was fantastic. The last 2 matches saved the show. Just when I thought I was going to be let down, they end the show with those 2 matches. PWG does it yet again.

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PWG Failure to Communicate:

Joey Ryan vs Ryan Taylor ** 3/4
Michael Elgin vs Eddie Edwards *** 3/4
B-Boy and Famous B vs RockNES Monsters ***
Davey Richards vs Sami Callihan ****
Roderick Strong vs Rich Swann *** 1/4
Brian Cage vs Willie Mack *** 1/2
Young Bucks vs El Generico and Kenny Omega ****
Kevin Steen vs Ricochet vs Michael Elgin **** 1/4


ROH Final Battle:

Roderick Strong vs Michael Elgin *** 1/4
Jay Lethal vs Rhino **
RD Evans vs Prince Nana * 1/4
Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team vs Rhett Titus and BJ Whitmer *** 1/4
Mike Bennett vs Jerry Lynn ** 3/4
Bobby Fish and Kyle O'Reilly vs The American Wolves *** 3/4
Matt Hardy vs Adam Cole ***
Steve Corino and Jimmy Jacobs vs Caprice Coleman and Cedric Alexander vs The Briscoe Brothers ** 1/2
Kevin Steen vs El Generico **** 1/4
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I don't get people who say PWG "is not doing well now", I mean, sure - KRRIII and World's Finest were not super great shows (but still better than most of Indy stuff), but there was still a big pile of good wrestling. But then, we got DDT4, DTABM, TIII, all great shows. BOLA n1 was not great, but still good, and BOLA n2 rocked, it was a brilliant show.

Gonna watch the Failure today.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:03 AM   #7417 (permalink)
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Isn't it normal for the IWC to just bitch for no reason?
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Spoiler for Failure To Communicate:

1. Joey Ryan vs. Ryan Taylor - * 3/4 - Joey fucking sucks in the ring, in my opinion and Ryan Taylor has a couple of rough edges. Snoozefest
2. Michael Elgin vs. Eddie Edwards - *** - Eddie is so much better when he's not in an ULTRASERIOUZ~1 environment like PWG. I imagine he'd excel in CHIKARA.
3. B-Boy and Famous B vs. RockNES Monsters - ** 1/2 - Very forgettable, but I don't realy have any complaints about the match per se
4. Davey Richards vs. Sami Callihan - ** 3/4 - Not bad, but as a Callihan mark I was expecting a little better, maybe
5. Roderick Strong vs. Rich Swann - *** - Your standard Roddy/Flippy guy match. Nothing outstanding, but a solid debut for Swann. Big fan of his.
6. Brian Cage vs. Willie Mack - ** 1/2 - A pretty big let down, in all honesty. Meh, I dunno.
7. Young Bucks vs. El Generico and Kenny Omega - **** - A great, entertaining match. PWG needs MOAR Kenny.
8. Kevin Steen vs. Ricochet vs. Michael Elgin - *** 3/4 - Ricochet brought this up by 1/2*. He fucking rocks. End of.

Undercard was pretty underwhelming, the main event could have been a better but whatever. The semi-main tag match was great and definitely a PWG MOTYC (The Young Bucks are in at least four MOTYCs, that speaks volumes.) Wasn't a fan of Cage/Mack at all, it just didn't have that "clash of the titans" feel that I think they were trying to give off. Eddie/Elgin was a lot better than I thought it would be, seeing as I've never really liked Eddie in singles competition in ROH and I generally think Elgin sucks. The rest was forgettable. Definitely not the best PWG show of the year, not even top 3 and may struggle to even make top 5, but it was still solid and entertaining, which says a lot about the PWG product as a whole.
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But people aren't bitching. No one said PWG isn't doing well. The point being made is that between 2009-2011 people are saying that PWG didn't any cards that were just pretty good, they all were better than that. I haven't seen that whole stretch so I can't really judge myself. If in a sport there are 3 years in a row where there is one player who is dominating but then gets injured, he is still may still be damn good just not as good as he was. That's the most confusing way I can put it I suppose.
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Indeed, perhaps my comment about "bitching" was too harsh a term but painting with the same brush is my forte.

Going on what JoeRulz said, "is not doing well now" means they're no longer putting on a great showing as opposed to "they're not doing as well" which may imply a slight dip in quality. The latter, of course, is what SantaFitz said and probably indicative I should read further up in a topic before merely replying to a comment. Though after a few comments on a RoH board saying PWG is "over kill" and a "bunch of amateurs imitating vets" I just assumed the IWC was turning on their pet as they always do.

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