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post #6881 of 10970 (permalink) Old 10-25-2012, 12:47 AM
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Edwards vs. Elgin just seems like a match where they said "Look Eddie, we're glad that you flew out here and sorry to change you're match, so we'll give you a decent match instead of someone like Joey Ryan or Ryan Taylor."

And Jon Davis could be a monster running through the roster, but like Hailsabin said he really doesn't excite me as the top guy and for a potential champ his matches in EVOLVE/DGUSA have been so up and down.

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serious question: does anyone else find Michael Elgin immensely frustrating? like, he's had some really good matches against guys who aren't very good (Davey Richards! in 2012! in ROH!) but he's also had some really bad matches against guys who are very good (Finlay, Adam Cole) and some downright horrific matches, albeit with horrible people (Charlie Haas). but most of the time when I watch him it seems like he has some idea of how to make a match interesting, he's done an excellent job of making that spinning powerbomb into a legit finisher, and his finishing stretches are generally fun, but I almost never actually get caught up in his matches. I can't pinpoint what problems I have with his work, really. The best guess I have is that despite him being theoretically a power heel he's at his best when he's working from the bottom because he's pretty good at long-term selling and excellent at building to a finisher that feels like the culmination of his offense, which of course doesn't suit his character. it's weird, I guess: even though I like a lot of what he does and I don't really think he's bad, I never get excited to see him wrestle, ever, and when I see he's in the next match my reaction is usually pretty similar to what it is for Eddie Edwards or Ryan Taylor, even though he's clearly not Eddie Edwards or Ryan Taylor in terms of in-ring ability.

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Just finished the Highspots shoot with Kevin Steen

- He starts the interview with a Kane mask on and action figures of JYD and Konnan
- First impression of El Generico was that he was fucking nuts
- Steen & Generico were flown in for PWG the first time and their flights were covered but they did the show for free.
- Generico was the Weapon of Mask Destruction at ROH Final Battle 2004
- The Mr Wrestling nickname came from IWS where he chose to wrestle instead of using weapons
- The original ideas for the Steen/Corino vs Generico/Cabana feud were that Steen was first going to team with Nigel but Nigel left for WWE/TNA and then Roderick Strong but he didn't think it was the right time to turn Strong heel even though they did a month later.
- Steve Corino only joined the feud after Corino emailed Pearce asking if there was a spot available for Corino to return in.
- Cornette doesn't like Steen and it goes both ways.
- After Davey's Highspots Interview, Steen called Davey and they sorted out their differences.
- Gabe used to send DVDs of the ROH shows to Lance Storm for Lance to critique and the wrestlers would be emailed what Lance thought of their matches.
- And whats already been discussed about Quack having issues with Steen swearing and using the term "Don't pull a Steen".

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Generico & Steen had the MOTN on their debut PWG show and it was done for no money at all. That's the life of being an indie BOSS.

Oh, and to throw my two cents into the Elgin scenario. To sum it up in all aspects of the guy, it really comes down to me not caring about what he does. Hate to give such a short, mediocre answer in response to the paragraph put out by jawbreaker, but that's all I have. Never found a hook to get behind the guy. So the sporadic give and take he has with various opponents is something I can't ponder myself. Never know what you'll get from him.

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PWG Threemendous III:

Joey Ryan vs Famous B **3/4
Roderick Strong vs TJ Perkins ***3/4
RockNESS Monsters vs Chuck Taylor & Ryan Taylor **3/4
Brian Cage vs Eddie Edwards ***1/2
Kevin Steen vs Willie Mack ***3/4
B-Boy vs Drake Younger ****
Michael Elgin vs Sami Callihan ***1/2
Super Smash Brothers vs Young Bucks vs Future Shock ****3/4

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1. 1st Round: Joey Ryan vs. TJ Perkins

Your typical Joey Ryan opener with a promo and a decent wrestling. No complaints here. The right guy went over.


2. 1st Round: Roderick Strong vs. Drake Younger

This was very cool. Roddy working like a tough monster again (TJP on TIII), hopefully Dragon keeps him booking that way. He’s great in dishing out some brutal punishment, and Drake is an ideal guy to take a BEATING. Damn, this was so fucking sweet. Nice to see Drake being over with the Reseda fans.


3. 1st Round: Eddie Edwards vs. Kyle O’Reilly

Good match. I can see why some hated this, but the constant back-and-forth schtick was done well here, and the TKO finish rocked.


4. 1st Round: Brian Cage vs. B-Boy

This was mostly really average, but the strong finishing stretch helped a lot. Good stuff overall.


5. 1st Round: Kevin Steen vs. Ricochet

Now we’re talking! I loved the story about Ricochet being Dicochet, a cockier version of El Generico, so Steen has to be very careful. There was a lot of psychology from Ricochet at the beginning – every time Steen tries something, he just jumps and blocks it quickly like a cat. It worked until Steen caught him off guard and fucking KILLED him with the Powerbomb. That was sick… And he did it again later in the match! The story was about Steen being mad and trying to punish Ricochet and his cocky ass, I loved it. There was your obligatory Brian Cage interference, of course, it was done well, and there was your first shocking outcome of the evening. Great match and the MOTN. I’m sure it will be more appreciated when people look back at this show down the road.


6. 1st Round: Willie Mack vs. Sami Callihan

Two guys knocking the shit out of each other and trying to move to the next round. Very simple and effective. Sami’s psycho character work was very strong as usual, and Willie was in his usual Reseda Hero mode. It all worked. I really dug the Puro finish where Sami just kept throwing lariats at Willie until he dropped dead.


7. 1st Round: El Generico vs. Adam Cole

Fuck yeah! Right from the start Cole is showing everyone he’s not the pretty guy from Future Shock this time. No, no, no – he’s one evil, cunning motherfucker now! Which means Steen automatically loves him, especially against Generico. I’ve actually watched this match two times, because after the first watch, I realized the match is filled with small and powerful things that make it really great. Cole’s character work was immense, and the match finish seriously rocked. God, this was awesome… Right behind Steen/Ricochet at the MOTN scale.


8. 1st Round: Davey Richards vs. Michael Elgin

The worst match of the night. Yes, worse than the opener, because at least you had Ryan’s antics and psychology there, combined with TJP’s ninja skills. This? This was solid, I admit, but it was an abomination of a main event, and I don’t know why Dragon booked this as the last match, especially with the 2011 winner Generico on the card. Anyway, this was your typical Davey Richards jerkfest. Elgin was trying, he showed some emotions, but Davey managed to nix it every damn time. Davey is fucking horrible nowadays, and he can’t structure a compelling match to save his life. He’s just a dull, boring, repetitive, going-through-motions, cocksucking, emotionless worm drinking his own kool aid. If he plans to stay in this painful and terrible face mode, I wish he retires right now. Fuck him! He managed to suck out any possible emotion out of the match, it was so boring and… totally meh. Sure, there was a lot of cool moves, but we all need something deeper to be entertained. I’m not denying the match’s success, because the crowd was having a really good time (although I noticed a lot of them sitting on their hands, I felt their pain), but this was just not good. The worst PWG match in 2012.


This was a good show, but would be great with a stronger main event. I know we’re all used to PWG’s mega high standards, but this was pretty strong too. Two **** matches on a card is always damn nice. There was a lot of good, consistent wrestling, up until the painfully average main event. Shame. Steen/Ricochet and Generico/Cole rocked, a lot of fun there. Roddy/Drake and Willie/Sami were both very good matches, and so on… Nothing really bad, but again – the main event almost destroyed everything for this viewer, but I’m not letting fucking Davey Richards ruin what was the enjoyable show for me. Overall, thumbs up for this show. Btw, I saw few guys complaining about “the lack of depth” in matches, and how everyone was just “trading moves”, and while I understand those complaitnts (I don’t agree, though), I’d also like to point at something else – this is a simple tornament storytelling where you have guys fighting each other to reach a next round. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. Also, this is not AJPW, this is not Tana/Shinskay/Nagata, this is not Laughter7/Inoue, because these guys almost have no history together, there’s no backstories in matches, they can’t make callbacks, they can’t remind us on their past together. It is what it is, what can you do… Now, if Dragon had booked, let’s say, Steen/Mack, Cole/O’Reilly, Roddy/Eddie, Drake/Sami or Steen/Cage, I’m sure some things would’ve played out differently, but whatever…

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From what I've seen of Elgin, he has zero connection with the audience. I mean, folks are bound to dig his physical presence and teeth-rattling strikes & power moves, but when it comes to charisma & intangibles the guy's a vacuum.

I was front row for his PCW match with Bubblegum & heading in all I wanted to see was our local cowardly chav heel get his head ripped off. By the end of the match I was stoked at the upset 'cos Bubs had worked his arse off to engage & entertain us, while Elgin was just kind of there.

On a related note, PCW's December show features Elgin vs. Edwards. I'm not expecting much more than movez, but a rowdy drunken crowd might lift it.

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PWG DDT4 2010 Review

Quick Thoughts: Saw this laying on the floor so I said why not lol; I can't remember off top but I believe this is the last PWG show I saw before I stop following the promotion (excusing KRRIII). Still holds up as a very consistent show, lots of fun tags with a great Bucks/Cutlers match and Hero putting Bonham over big time. Could've done without seeing Tozawa's bare ass lol but yeah a very good show.

The Young Bucks vs. Johnny Goodtime & Jerome Robinson- ***
Scott Lost & Chucky T vs. Peligro Abejas- ***1/4
Cutler Brothers vs. Roderick Strong & Ryan Taylor- **1/2
The Briscoes vs. KAMIKAZE- ***
The Young Bucks vs. Cutler Brothers- ****
The Briscoes vs. Peligro Abejas- **
Brandon Bonham vs. Chris Hero- ***1/2
The Young Bucks vs. Peligro Abejas- ***3/4

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El Generico has been announced for the Dragon Gate UK shows

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Great news, I wonder who'll they have lined up for him; DGUK shows never disappoint.

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