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If I don't get Finlay/Generico from Finlay's 2nd date then I'm gonna be a very sad panda. List of ROH guys I'd like to see Finlay work with is very small. I reckon Finlay/Edwards would be really good and Finlay/Cole could be but maybe not so much in the ROH environment. Can't see them doing Finlay/Elgin and it being great because will Finlay really bump around in the air for Elgin? I can't see Finlay even trying to work the ROH style which makes the list of possible opponents really small because there isn't too many ROH guys who can work a different style. Don't care about Strong/Finlay but it'll probably be decent.

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Highspots: Becoming the Best in the World – ‘American Dragon’ Bryan Danielson

Disk 1

Arik Cannon vs. Bryan Danielson – 7/31/04 (IWA-MS)

This is Dragon’s IWA debut. The match starts and the crowd chants for Bryan to fuck Arik up. They lock up and trade submissions, which leads to some mat wrestling for a minute or so. Bryan works Arik into the ropes, and he does a clean break. They do more chain wrestling that leads to Arik eventually working Bryan into the corner. He doesn’t give a clean break; he slaps Bryan in the face. The competitors start to trade shots, but Cannon pokes the eyes. A quick series of moves, and Bryan looks to have the upper hand with a forearm and a knee drop. Bryan has Cannon in the corner and slaps him several times before following with an uppercut and drop kick for 2. Bryan starts working over the arm with a really nasty looking submission. He continues to work over the arm with a few holds, but Cannon goes to the floor. Cannon hits a chop, but Bryan scores with 3 european upper cuts. Cannon nails a right hand for the 2! Cannon is on the advantage now. Cannon loses the upper hand when he puts Bryan in a spinning toehold cravat, and Bryan fights out. Cannon hits a couple shots to Bryan and blatantly chokes him. He hits a neckbreaker for 2. Arik beats him down and sends Bryan to the floor. Bryan hits a couple upper cuts, followed by a chop only to have Cannon come back with some stiff chops of his own. Cannon works Bryan over with some really odd-looking submissions. Bryan fought out with an Enzuigiri, and he berates Cannon with stiff strikes. Bryan applies a surfboard? No he does some back bending chokes with the legs hooked. Cannon rakes the eyes to escape. A series of quick moves, and Bryan has Cannon up for the airplane spin followed by a Finlay roll! He’s trying to go up for the headbutt! He connects! Only 2! Cannon goes to the eyes and hits a couple strikes, and he connects with an exploder for 2! Cannon goes for a vertical suplex by Bryan escapes. He connects with a flying uppercut! 2! Bryan brings Cannon to the top and he is looking for a superplex! Connects with it! Bryan with a 2! Cannon hits a swinging neckbreaker, and hits Total Anarchy for 2! Arik peppers Bryan with some boots, but in a moment he hits a roaring elbow followed by cattle mutilation! This may be it! No he’s got the ropes! Bryan with a forearm in the corner, but Cannon hits a neck strike and a glimmering warlock for 2! Cannon smashes Bryan with a forearm and a second glimmering warlock! 1! 2! 3! That’s the match at ~23:13! Great mat work. Didn’t feel like it was 20 minutes. Pretty exciting, and there weren’t any bad parts of the match. ***3/4

Chris Hero vs. Bryan Danielson – 8/21/04 (IWA-MS)
This is the first of there three matches that come in this set. Some great chain wrestling to start off the bout; this leads to Bryan working Hero into the ropes after a cravat was applied. More chain grappling leads to mat work, and some very interesting submissions. Hell, they had a leg locked headstand hold. Even more mat work soon follows that ends with a roll up by Bryan for 2. Bryan eggs Hero on to throw some strikes, but he continues to dodge the attacks. They jock for position, and Bryan goes for a keylock. He gets a near fall on Hero, and he maintains the hold. In a moment, the pace quickens and Hero hits a dropkick followed by a suplex for the 2. Hero works Bryan a over a little, but Bryan is soon to make a comeback. A very quick series of moves follows with the two facing off again. Hero offers his hand, but Bryan slaps him and grabs the advantage. Bryan is really aggressive here. Bryan and Hero end up trading shots, but Bryan went back to the arm work. He works the arm for a bit, but Hero comes back with a double leg. Bryan quickly reverses it into an arm bar. Hero gets the ropes for the break. Bryan hits a slingshot suplex (that the crowd marks for) and gets a near fall. He continues to work that arm. Hero gets a hope spot, but it is quickly stopped with a dropkick to the face. Bryan works the arms over with some basic holds, but they’re very effective. Hero gets out and hits a power slam out of nowhere, so both men are down! Hero hits a series of strikes and a front flip neckbreaker. He connects with a power move and a Senton, and he follows with a vertical suplex for 2. Hero goes for a Powerbomb, but Bryan escapes and hits a roaring elbow! Bryan does the airplane spin! Finlay roll! He goes up top despite disoriented, but Hero rolls out of the way of the diving head butt. They trade shots, and they are followed by a couple of roll up variations for 2! Forearms from Hero, and Bryan is on wobbly legs! Hero with a Powerbomb straight into the hangman’s clutch! He makes it to the ropes for the break! Hero goes for the Hero’s Welcome, but Bryan reverses it into maybe a cattle mutilation attempt! No Hero counters into a Saito suplex! Hero goes up top, but Bryan meets him. Bryan hits an arm breaker from the top into cattle mutilation! He may have to tap! He does! Hero taps at ~23:29. Great limb work that was really enjoyable. Great chain wrestling and reversals. Overall great. ***3/4

Chris Hero vs. Bryan Danielson {2 out of 3 Falls} – 9/15/04 (IWA-MS)
They kick the match off with some great grappling and chain wrestling with each man getting some moves in. They continue to do this for a few minutes, but nothing substantial happens. The first big thing to happen is near the 8-minute mark when Bryan goes for the surfboard. He gets it on his second try, but Hero rushes out of the hold after a few seconds. They continue to mat wrestle for several minutes, until Bryan got aggressive with an upper cut. Hero fights back shoving Bryan to the match. Hero begins to beat the daylights out of Bryan in the corner with strikes. Hero goes for Hero’s Welcome, but Danielson reverses it. This leads to a pinning combination for the fall at ~15:17. I guess there’s a rest period, but I’m keeping the match time continuous. Hero goes for a strike, but Bryan goes to the ropes and the referee makes Hero back off. They trade off on strikes, until Hero nails a roaring elbow for the 2! Bryan gets the advantage back, and he is very aggressive on Hero’s arm. Hero almost pulls out the three after reversing an armlock into a cover, but Bryan gets out and is back on the attack. Hero makes his comeback by blocking a roaring elbow and nailing a belly to belly suplex. They trade strikes, but Hero gets the advantage with his elbows. He hits an Alabama slam and a Senton bomb. Arik Cannon is at ringside, and Hero goes for a Saito suplex. Bryan gets out and hits a roaring elbow. Bryan is looking for Cattle Mutilation, but he gets out and nails Bryan with a power bomb. He applies the Hangman’s Clutch, but Bryan gets the ropes. Hero drags Bryan to the center and reapplies! He releases the hold and hits the Hero’s Welcome for the 3 at ~ 25:52! Bryan is down to start the fall, and Hero pulls Bryan up. He hits a power move, and he goes up top. Bryan meets him on the top rope and he nails a superplex! Bryan is going up top! Head butt, nobody home! Hero is going up top! Bryan dodges a flying move, and he applies Cattle Mutilation! Hero gets out and he applies the Hangman’s Clutch! Dragon escapes and applies the Muta Lock! Hero gets the cravat! They both have the cravat! They’re going back and forth! The bell rings at ~29:27! We wait for the decision. “They both tapped out at the same time!” This match is a draw. This was a good match, with good mat and chain wrestling. I don’t think it was as good as the previous two matches on the disk. A little boring, but it was worth watching. The finish also pissed me off a bit. ***1/2

AJ Styles vs. Bryan Danielson – 9/16/04 (IWA-MS)
(Lost the beginning of the review due to technical difficulties, here is what I still have) Bryan connects with the belly to back superplex! Bryan with the cover for 2! He looks like he’s going for Cattle Mutilation, but AJ hits an Enzuigiri. They’re both up, but they both connect with roaring elbows, so they’re down for another double count. They’re trading strikes, and Dragon is looking for a dragon suplex. No, Bryan goes for a German. AJ lands on his feet. Bryan runs at AJ, but AJ reverses it and lifts him up for the Style’s Clash! No, Bryan is out, and he applies the cattle mutilation! AJ isn’t tapping! Bryan turns it into a pinning combination for the 3 at ~19:27! This was really good. Lots of technical wrestling, and a strong finishing set of moves. This was more fast paced at times than the other three matches. ***3/4

Overall: An awesome first disk. All four matches are very good. The first three are all slow paced, technical bouts, so it isn’t everyone’s taste. The matches are all fairly long, but they aren’t so long that it bores you to tears. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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What is the ROH "style"?
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What is the ROH "style"?
Really spotty and reliant on big spots and 2 counts.

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I did this review for a topic over at another board...

Chris Hero vs Bryan Danielson
PWG Guerre Sans Frontieres; (PWG; 2009/09/04)


The opening matwork is the kind I like. It didn't look like synchronized swimming, but it wasn't extremely uncooperative like the kind I see in lucha. It keep my attention and I was intrigued to see what hold would follow in the transitions. However, the charm did wear off after them mat-wrestling for twelve straight minutes.

Hero's offense did come off as unnecessarily flashy. He would add a random twist or corkscrew to a move that did not need one. His offense was much better when it was kept simple. The story of Hero wanting to concuss Danielson led to a generous serving of stiff elbows, and boy were they stiff. He controlled Danielson by laying him out with a nasty elbow whenever he tried to fight back. This really put the crowd behind Danielson and sent a nice amount of heat in Hero's direction.

I always thought Danielson's selling was hit and miss. At times, he would have great facial expressions and really did look like he was concussed, but at other times, not so much. One incident in particular saw him eat one of the stiffest elbows off the match, he remained on his feet and managed to counter Hero's aerial attack ten seconds later by a weak looking attempt of what is known as 'playing possum'.

The finishing stretch was fantastic, bar some overkill, pointless strike exchanges and the crowd. The fans really could off added more drama to the match by popping at more near-falls, especially during the middle part of the match. It was high action stuff with plenty of nasty looking submission holds. The best Hero match I have seen, but probably would have a hard time reaching Bryan's top 10.


Rating: ****1/4
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Really spotty and reliant on big spots and 2 counts.
So, the WWE and TNA style then?
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Really spotty and reliant on big spots and 2 counts.
That's just Independent wrestling in general surely?
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Really spotty and reliant on big spots and 2 counts.
Pretty much describes a lot of PWG matches too. Most American wrestling too. It's wrong that ROH should just get the label.

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I see Finlay vs Richards at Best In The World 2011, i count on Steen winning the title on Canada so for my is a good win for Richards after losing it
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I see Finlay vs Richards at Best In The World 2011, i count on Steen winning the title on Canada so for my is a good win for Richards after losing it
When I look at my BITW 2011 dvd case I see Edwards vs Richards.

Regardless, Finlay vs Richards should be a great match at BITW 2012. I have really been enjoying Finlay on the indy circuit while I was never a big fan of him in WCW and WWE.


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