[smitlick]

Not surprising about the PWG crowd, Alcohol probably didnt help the situation.

Just listed these

ROH on HDNet Volume 8
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....#ht_500wt_1202

ROH Takes Center Stage Chapter 1 & 2 (Both Nights)
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....#ht_640wt_1185

[JoeRulz]

The Reseda guys are no worse than morons from these boards who compare ROH and PWG.

[The Corre]

CZW DVD Aug. 10, 2002 "No Excuses" - Philadelphia, PA


1. GQ & Chri$ Ca$h vs. Derek Frazier & Sonjay Dutt vs. Towel Boy & Hurricane Kid
**

2. Ruckus vs. Z-Barr
*1/2

3. The Irish Drinking Team vs. VD
*

4. Ian Knoxx vs. Eddie Valentine (loser leaves)
*1/4

5. Rainman vs. "Sick" Nick Mondo
*1/4
Rainman is terrible, he botched way too much.

6. Team Wildside (The Lost Boys & T-N-T) vs. The Backseat Boyz, Nick Berk & Ty Street - Wargames rules
**1/2

7. M-Dogg 20 vs. Josh Prohibition
**1/4

8. Justice Pain vs. Billy Fives
*1/2

9. Nick Gage & Nate Hatred vs. Adam Flash & Doomsday Danny Rose
*1/2

10. Wifebeater vs. Lobo - Ultraviolent Fans Bring the Weapons Match
***1/2

Overal a decent show, the main event was sheer brutality, great match. Real mixed card with some very fun matches and a couple awful matches..

[Rah]

Originally Posted by JoeRulz

The Reseda guys are no worse than morons from these boards who compare ROH and PWG.

They're probably one and the same.

It's all a part of this arrogant, untouchable image the douchebags wish to put across. You know, CM Punk of the average joes. Most Indy fans annoy me purely because they walk around like they're some untouchable force ready to beat the hell out of anyone who dares to challenge them. The truth, though, is that they're only so big because of the figural "protective netting" that most events have.

I wouldn't say we've hit the tip of the iceberg, yet, but at the rate we're going with these idiotic fallacies and superiority-complexes it won't be long before the rift between fans and promotions will be so high that any form of discussion or enjoyment will be completely inconceivable.

[TomasThunder619]

PWG Fear 2011.12.10 results

This was the last PWG show of 2011.

1.T.J. Perkins vs. Kenny King ended to a No Contest when the Fightin' Taylor Boys interfered.
**

2. Fightin' Taylor Boys beat T.J. Perkins & Kenny King.
**1/4

3. Roderick Strong beat Amazing Red.
****

4. "Pretty" Peter Avalon & Ray Rosas & The Dynasty (Joey Ryan & Scorpio Sky) beat Famous B & Chris Kadillak & Candice LeRae & B-Boy. 8-person tag team match.
***3/4

5. Willie Mack beat Chris Hero.
***3/4

6. RockNES Monsters (Johnny Goodtime & Johnny Yuma) beat Future Shock (Adam Cole & Kyle O'Reilly).
**1/4

7. American Wolves (Davey Richards & Eddie Edwards) beat Super Smash Bros (Player Uno & Stupefied).
***1/4

8. PWG champion El Generico beat Dick Togo in a non-title match.
***

9. Super Dragon & Kevin Steen beat PWG tag champions Young Bucks in a Guerrilla Warfare match to capture the PWG Tag Titles.
***1/2

[Les Kellett Lariat]

This is all just PWG's chickens coming home to roost for not bothering to develop PWG-specific characters/angles for the ROH wrestlers.

When West Coast wrestlers are seen as "ROH guys" by a West Coast crowd, you've dropped a major bollock.

[Legend]

Shouldn't the crowd be allowed to say what they want?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Originally Posted by Legend

Shouldn't the crowd be allowed to say what they want?

Oh, they can go right ahead. Nobody can stop them.

But if/when they fuck it up for everyone due to their antics (aka: ROH wrestlers not wanting to show up, ROH putting a ban, other crappy consequences that could happen), should we blame PWG or the fans?

Some say PWG for doing their own thing instead of biting ROH. Personally, I agree with that sort of. PWG used to be even more unique than ROH at some point, with guys like Scott Lost, Chris Bosh, Human Tornado, etc. etc. with out of ring storylines, promos, and antics.

I also think the fans should blame themselves. But that's a personal responsibility thing.

[Cactus]

Originally Posted by Legend

Shouldn't the crowd be allowed to say what they want?

I don't think that's true at all. Yes, someone buys a ticket and it gives them the right to say what they want but it doesn't mean they should. Stupid and disrespectful chants can the kill the show for the rest of the audience and take the wrestlers out of the mood.

[Legend]

I agree that chants can be harmful, stupid etc., but I could never endorse a company telling fans what to/what not to chant. It's unsavoury.