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post #5181 of 10970 (permalink) Old 03-11-2012, 05:17 PM
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I wouldn't say that. His match with Willie Mack in PWG wasn't very good, for a lot of the same reasons his recent ROH matches haven't been very good.
Yeah thats true, and his match with Steen wasn't too great either. He is good in NJPW, and he was really good in 16 carat last year too.
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post #5182 of 10970 (permalink) Old 03-11-2012, 05:24 PM
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Steen said in an interview that ROH booked Davey him with the SuperCena treatment burned him in the eyes of ROH fans.

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I think it's more the style of match Davey wrestles combined with the perception of his MMA > Wrestling personality that's annoying fans more then just the booking. Shocked that Owens/Davey was that good, will have to check that out. I thought Steen/Davey from Perils in PWG was fine but their match at Kurt RussellMania while maybe not as action packed might have been better because while there was comedy and Davey showed something of a personality besides "Grrrr, kill" there was actual limb work that lead to the finish and no overkill.

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I don't think you can just say he's awful in ROH but I think ROH are the biggest party to blame for it. They push this horrible style of wrestling and the wrestlers go along with it these days. I think Davey's developed all these horrible habits because of the ROH style and he seems to think that the ROH style is for bigger matches and that's why he's not as bad in PWG or New Japan but a lot of them horrible traits from ROH still appear. I think in really small promotions he doesn't feel as much of a need to have a MOTYC and he's a lot better in that wrestling environment.

I mean look at how great Tyler Black has improved in FCW compared to where he was during his ROH Title reign. The guy can really work, it's just that post 09 in ROH they stopped really giving those top workers the chances to develop them skills and turned all their main event matches into workrate and moves based matches rather than more scientific dynamics like working a story and selling a body part. Edwards is another great example. Best thing that could happen to him is that WWE sign him and send him to FCW for a year. He's got elements of being a great babyface but the ROH style doesn't allow anyone to be a great babyface because it's way too back and forth.
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ROH's biggest sin nowadays is putting the cart before the horse in attempting to stage these uber-epic matches between guys whose 'issues' simply aren't over enough to warrant the excess of moves, comebacks, kickouts etc.

I enjoyed the 10YA main way more than last year's Eddie vs. Davey random overkill moronathons, but it still came off like they were trying to achieve Misawa & Kobashi vs. Kawada & Taue 6/95 without the previous 5+ years of build up.

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Sounds like a great dynamic in that match. I'd like to see ROH try and do something similar with maybe Eddie Kingston or perhaps...whoever the OVW champ is. Heelish Davey vs. Local Champ/Hero could make for a fun house show main event, especially in a newer market. Obviously, a Kingston match would be bigger than that...but you get my point.

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I first saw Davey Richards wrestle at ROH Final Battle, and I just hated the match. I'm not a fan of ROH in general, but I love a lot of the guys on the roster. I see Davey Richards on my tv in ROH, and I want to turn it off, however I saw him in PWG Steenwolf against Willie Mack, and I actually enjoyed his match. Then I got into more PWG stuff, and realized that Davey Richards isn't that bad. I don't know what it is about ROH, I'm thinking the lighting and the colors used, but I just don't like ROH.

Now to get on topic, I received Chikara: Best of 2009 (mainly bought it because of Johnny Saint), and I'm still waiting for my King of Trios 2010, Nights 1, 2, and 3 to arrive. How long does Chikara usually take to ship, if you purchase it from their website, rather than high spots?

DVD's I got from PWG: Steenwolf, Battle of Los Angeles 2011, FEAR, Kurt Russelreunion 2, waiting on DDT4.

A lot of people say Steenwolf was the best event from PWG last year, but I personally enjoyed FEAR a lot more.
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I watched Davey vs Owens and it was really good. I wish Davey would realise that sometimes less is more like in this match to an extent. Really good stuff from both guys in the match.
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I wasn't sure either at the original price but they had a sale on around xmas and I basically got that another show and a best of Chase Owens for the same price.

I'm looking to sell it on soon if you're interested in it for a cheaper price.
Yep add it to the DGUK shows pile and the eventual Liger disc please.
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Also wanted to note:

I was going to buy a "Best of Hayabusa" DVD from highspots, but then I saw the shipping for me would be over 20 bucks, bringing the overall cost of the DVD to nearly $40.00 for me. Why the hell do they charge so much for shipping? I got my Chikara: Best of 2009 DVD in less than a week because I got the shipping expedited, and shipping only cost me around 7 bucks for it then, and this was with Smart mark video!

It's reasons like this that make it difficult to become a fan of the indies. I don't want to download the events because they don't make near enough for me to download them. If they offered a download on their websites for the same price as the DVD, minus shipping, it would be so much easier.
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