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Old 12-21-2011, 07:54 AM   #4361 (permalink)
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:15 AM   #4362 (permalink)
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Wow, after finally getting a chance to sit down and watch PWG Steen Wolf, I feel the need to express one particular sentiment. The Steen/Generico wars are going to go down in Big Book of Pro Wrestling History as an absolute classic rivalry. At a time where credible/believable heels are less and less evident, Kevin Steen is the 'Real Fuckin Deal'.

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Except that Steen's not even a heel...
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Except that Steen's not even a heel...
Wouldn't that be arguing semantics? He certainly plays the part of a heel, despite the audiences' reactions. And isn't that reaction based on the entertainment value of Steen's 'heelish' behavior?
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I wouldn't say Steen's a heel in PWG, obviously he is in ROH, but even then he's more of an anti hero I think. He plays a dick in PWG, but the only times he's acted heelish this year is when it comes to Generico, but that's because he despises him so much.
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He's not a heel in PWG. His feud with Generico knows no aligment. It's just off the charts HATE. He's always been the classic dick/bully no matter what. That's the beauty of Steen. Then playing off a INSANE face like Generico, pfft. Forget about it.
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In my own defense, I was specifically addressing the feud with Generico as pertains to the Steen Wolf match.

But to further the discussion, if one looks at Kevin Steen as a character/independent wrestler in any promotion he works for, he doesn't change his behavior. The little things he does screams heel even if the audience reacts differently. Picking fights with fans, blowing snot, spitting, mocking, etc..

I see Steen as a throwback to the 'old-school' wrestling villains.

A question. How much does Steen's hero/anti-hero/heel status have to do with the modern wrestling fan's attitudes? The Attitude Era blew the doors off of the 'sheep cheering the hero' mentality and fans nowadays seem to cheer who they like regardless to face/heel booking/positioning, especially on the independent level.
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I'd say it doesn't affect things much. People are gonna cheer for Steen despite any of his outlandish dick antics if they're just a fan. That's been proven since he showed up on the scene, imo. Like you said, fans nowadays cheer for who they enjoy. The philosophy you put out comes full circle towards Mr. Wrestling. He might be able to push the alignments to the edge more so than others, yet I think that is one quality that is impressive.
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In my own defense, I was specifically addressing the feud with Generico as pertains to the Steen Wolf match.

But to further the discussion, if one looks at Kevin Steen as a character/independent wrestler in any promotion he works for, he doesn't change his behavior. The little things he does screams heel even if the audience reacts differently. Picking fights with fans, blowing snot, spitting, mocking, etc..

I see Steen as a throwback to the 'old-school' wrestling villains.

A question. How much does Steen's hero/anti-hero/heel status have to do with the modern wrestling fan's attitudes? The Attitude Era blew the doors off of the 'sheep cheering the hero' mentality and fans nowadays seem to cheer who they like regardless to face/heel booking/positioning, especially on the independent level.
I think that mentality of cheering who you think is cool needs end. Guys like Steen are doing it in independent wrestling as well. I was at Final Battle where Steen went against Generico and I was wearing a Kevin Steen shirt yet ended up rooting for Generico because Generico is impossible to boo and Steen was so easy to hate. When Steen is in the ring with Generico he is a complete heel and he had the PWG fans, who love him, cheering for Generico and even some were booing him. Wrestling needs to go back to atmospheres like that where you can still think a heel is a great wrestlers but boo him anyway. It makes it more enjoyable for everyone involved and.

Steen is looked at as this really fresh thing in independent wrestling but in PWG he has the most old school character. Everyone loves him yet they root against him and boo him. It's even happened in ROH where Generico has more support behind him in every match they had. A lot of it has to do with the fact that Generico goes against everything in independent wrestling. He has a goofy character that sounds like someone that we should shit all over. Yet he gets cheered like crazy.
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