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Old 11-02-2011, 09:55 AM   #3561 (permalink)
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I stopped reading here. You still refuse to take in the point that claiming that the most popular wrestlers with the ROH crowd (Richards, Edwards, WGTT...) don't know how to get a response from the ROH crowd, is a mindnumbingly stupid thing to do.

Pick your battles more carefully.
Really? WGTT got bigger reactions than Briscoes, ANX, Wolves or the Kings?, really?

And well, Richards and Edwards, his BITW match, though good, counted with a sleeped crowd.

And they're not by far the most popular. Where are Generico and Steen?, or even Lethal or the Briscoes?
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:06 AM   #3562 (permalink)
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my $0.02:

As a huge American Wolves fan who owns the t-shirts and everything, I have to admit that the detractors in this thread bring up very realistic complaints about their work and always engage in compelling discussion and conversation. They never make it a one sided argument, its just that their points are valid enough to not warrant a response. In fact I completely agree with all of their complaints. Why is it so hard to say, "okay, ya'll have a great point but I still enjoy their work" if you don't have a counter-point? I mean, disagree by all means if you really have something to bring to the table, but if not let's just acknowledge there's some good criticism here and continue enjoying what we enjoy.
THANK YOU. That was all anyone needed to do, none of us are right or wrong in what we say, it would just be better in future for people who make the claims to back their opinion in future like the OW section is renowned for and not resort to TNA section level attempts at dodging a discussion.


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I've been avoiding the whole Wolves discussion but I'd just like to say that I understand why some people don't enjoy their work. But honestly I don't care and I don't see why their opinions should bother some people so much. I like watching their matches and so do many other ROH fans and that is all that matters in my opinion. So what-eves.
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Crabtree, it's absolutely pathetic what you've become. You're like CM Skittle with your avoidance of any points you disagree with. At this point I'm pretty much convinced either you're trolling or you don't actually watch wrestling.

Legend, you're the only one being childish here. Well Crabtree too, but that doesn't exactly make you more right.

peachchaos, thanks for being reasonable. I'd be interested to hear why it is you like Edwards, btw.

Segunda, I watched the Austin Idol cage match. Loved the crowd reaction, but I think it's going to take me a while to get used to a match consisting of punches and piledrivers considering it's the 21st century American indy style that really got me into wrestling. Watching some of the Dundee stuff right now and loving it though.
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Segunda, I watched the Austin Idol cage match. Loved the crowd reaction, but I think it's going to take me a while to get used to a match consisting of punches and piledrivers considering it's the 21st century American indy style that really got me into wrestling. Watching some of the Dundee stuff right now and loving it though.
Awesome, I won't deny the execution can be off/awkward at times but in general Lawler's selling, bumping and punches are so good I feel I'd be disappointed if he had more 'traditional' moves in his arsenal, it also works when he does bust out some new stuff, particularly in title matches during the ever present 'can Lawler win the world title' story that dominated most of his prime.
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So, because some guys in ROH crowds cheer for WGTT, they're great wrestlers and above critics because of it?
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Picking this out because the rest of your point was well argued and thus isn't needed to be discussed. The above is though, that's a complete naiive statement to make since you cannot in anyway prove it. Most of the people I've ever seen criticise Edwards have done so in a proper manner with valid points in concise fashion, to dismiss their arguments as simply 'that time of the month' is frankly embarassing. I haven't ever liked Edwards, because I started watching him at a time when his style much like Kurt Angle's and Marafuji's style is something I no longer prefer in matches, younger 2004 me could have adored Edwards but present Caida is a much different fan of workers and Edwards is someone I can't ever see myself liking unless he does a major 360 asap and starts watching the greats at eating a control segment and working on how to spread out and protect his impressive moves so he can control a crowd and not lose them when he's not pulling contrived sequences out of his arse.
I'm not saying people don't have the right to criticize Edwards but it is just that every year something like this happens. Davey got picked the year before, Black got picked the year before that, and Nigel got picked the year before that. It's almost like the seasons.....is hell of easy to predict.


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Not seen the Elgin match and have little desire to, but the Hero match is something I do plan to watch and I'll be shocked if I come out of it thinking Hero isn't the one making the match as great as it is, most of the reviews I've seen of the match praised characteristics/areas that Hero shines in and where Edwards usually falters/can be found wanting. Jawbreaker did give me hope however that Eddie may put in a very good selling effort of the worked over limb.

Hero did great in the match but Edwards did better. Edwards was a better seller and storyteller while Hero had the overall charisma to breathe life in a long match. The thing I absolutely despise about Hero is how he likes to work long matches and those long matches he likes to work are dreadful. Like he will extend his mat work to the point I just don't care anymore. That was the main reason both his matches with Claudio went overboard and get boring despite having great ideas(Although that match had some really dumb ideas). Edwards is the kinda guy that is better for structuring. Doesn't extend anything to far but can have a lengthy match that won't feel like I'm watching a comedian bust for 3 hours. The thing is, he doesn't have the charisma Hero has to keep the crowd interested in the parts they will be 50/50 on. When you mix both, you get a great match. Edwards was the guy that was bumping and selling his ass off like a freaking fool while Hero was the guy doing his part in not being a bland machine and bringing overall character in the match. I guarantee you were it Edwards and Hero at DBD, it would of been a better match.


His match with Elgin is just awesome.


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Not a clue what that is supposed to mean, Legend and Crabtree both dodged the main argument and responded with quick 'no u' esque responses that did more to try and mock me then defend/support their point of view
*Shake my head*


While Edwards does have big spots in his match up, you have to be grasping for straws to make it seem like he is a spot monkey. His match with Roderick the first two times for the ROH Championship was great as it was storytelling of Roderick not taking him seriously and then going crazy against him at Supercard. Now while that wasn't my main counter, my main counter was this: Edwards took a spot from that match and turned it into PSYCHOLOGY in his match against Richards. Edwards did his moonsault thing against Strong in that match and he actually hurt himself. Fantastic thing is that he did that same thing against Richards but this time, he actually incorporated it into the match and thus making Richards leg work even more thrilling. That's a wrestling mind making great wrestling babies.


And Bubz, no way in blue thunderdome hell was Hero/Claudio better than Edwards/Hero. I'd rather get my leg chopped off and get a sword stuck into it as a replacement(With the sword end sticking into my flesh) than sit through 50 minutes of that. Crowd was so fucking bored during that match it was unbelievable.Hero/KENTA wasn't close imo and I haven't seen Hero/Sabre.


Jawbreaker, I thought the DBD match was dreadful. I'm curious as to what was so bad about the Elgin/Edwards match.
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THANK YOU. That was all anyone needed to do, none of us are right or wrong in what we say, it would just be better in future for people who make the claims to back their opinion in future like the OW section is renowned for and not resort to TNA section level attempts at dodging a discussion.
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I've been avoiding the whole Wolves discussion but I'd just like to say that I understand why some people don't enjoy their work. But honestly I don't care and I don't see why their opinions should bother some people so much. I like watching their matches and so do many other ROH fans and that is all that matters in my opinion. So what-eves.
Okay, I mentioned subjectivity a while ago now because it's so painfully blatant. This time, instead of the snide little comment someone left after it, can we just agree to disagree. Yeah? No? I doubt it.

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