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post #3551 of 10976 (permalink) Old 11-01-2011, 11:34 PM
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No. They draw. Therefore they're above the "I'm going to claim that the most popular wrestlers don't get a crowd response, because I'm in that adolescent phase where I want to stand out by being Mr. Opposite" critique.

When you've identified an actual fault with Eddie Edwards, of which there are a few, please feel free to discuss it. FYI someone who climbs a ladder, with a legit broken arm, knows how to create drama. Neither drama, nor crowd response, are things that are lacking, when it comes to Eddie Edwards.

This really is simple stuff. Like, Danielson does flips level basic.
for the love of god, look at yourself. you're the one who's being "Mr. Opposite" here. I've never thought Edwards was particularly good, but apparently I should have changed my mind once other people started to like him? in what fucking universe does that make sense? it's not about going against what other people think, it's about staying true to my opinions. if I see a good Edwards match (I've seen two, maybe three this year) I will point it out. I pointed it out when I saw a good WGTT match. I don't care about attention enough to pretend I believe something I don't. if people are going to pay attention to what I have to say, it had better be something I actually believe. something like "Eddie Edwards is not very good," for instance.

and as for being "Mr. Opposite", you're the one who claims that the Young Bucks aren't good heels, even though they actually get crowd heat and just about everyone on this board (myself included) thinks they're absolutely fantastic comedy heels.

and congratulations on ignoring the specific examples I provided of Edwards failing to get a crowd reaction. here they are again, for your benefit.

"I'm rewatching Richards/Edwards from BITW right now. There's a bit about half an hour in where Edwards applies the Achilles Lock in the center of the ring to absolutely no reaction. Seriously. Everyone in the Hammerstein is silent. About a minute later there's a rollup, with again, absolutely no reaction. This is the way Edwards won the title and nobody buys it.

Then they do a strike exchange that feels forced and devoid of character, Edwards kicks out of a whole bunch of shit and there's maybe four people across from the hard cam who react, and they do so halfheartedly at best. And then there's the finish, and the reaction is one of "oh wow he kicked him really hard" not "oh wow the match is about to be over".

Seriously, if you think there was any drama created in that match, look at the crowd and think again. Everyone is practically sitting on their hands in the first few rows. It was absolutely amazing in a kind of pathetic way."

When the entire crowd at a big huge show does not react to your finisher 30 minutes into a world title match, you are doing something wrong. Period.

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Was browsing youtube and came across this promo. I thought it was really well done. The story leading up to the match is compelling and Gargano's delivery was very convincing.

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I always figured the point of a discussion forum is to have a discussion, not "okay, I don't like this topic anymore, stop discussing it."

I have the right to analyze and get as much in-depth as I'd like to. Just like you have the right to check yourself out of the discussion and go toss some salad with your uber-charismatic idol Eddie Edwards.
When an actual discussion begins, let me know.

This is a discussion forum, but recently it's just become the place to post random digs at both Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards. It doesn't even matter if I particularly care for either wrestler; I just think a balanced view should be presented instead of the polemic, immature diatribe that is being spewed forward by those of you happily riding along on the bandwagon of hate, sun in yours eyes, fanning yourself with the cheap chuckles of those around you.
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Oh man. Awesome stuff.

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people want to be liked and therefore are naturally followers. one person says something dumb turns into one person repeating it and so on. just like mcqueen and his davey hating . daveytensity or something idk
Got a problem with that? I don't like the bullshit that goes along with watching Davey Richards. He gives me headaches.

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When an actual discussion begins, let me know.

This is a discussion forum, but recently it's just become the place to post random digs at both Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards. It doesn't even matter if I particularly care for either wrestler; I just think a balanced view should be presented instead of the polemic, immature diatribe that is being spewed forward by those of you happily riding along on the bandwagon of hate, sun in yours eyes, fanning yourself with the cheap chuckles of those around you.
In what universe did myself or Jawbreaker not make a rational argument pointing out what specifically Edwards does that doesnt' really make him a great wrestler in our eyes? Dodgy commitment to long term selling, a lack of structure which often means a lot of his incredible moves get little reaction compared to say a punch from Hulk Hogan. I can see why you might see SuperDuperSonic as stirring the pot with the continuous calling out of his charisma....but even then the only people that have been childish have been yourself incinuating that I consider Eddie 'Satan in spandex' or that 'Kevin Nash is a better worker than him'...neither of which I posted in any of my arguments. Crabtree himself no matter how much he tries to deny it still hasn't answered my point, he's just dismissed it as a waste of time and suggested its laughable, the only person to his credit who's actually attempted to offer his own view on my argument has been Capone who largely made a good discussion, even if I didn't agree with all of it.

Seriously you and others brought about the discussion by dismissing Edwards criticism as having no validity or basis, and at least 4 four people have now provided their own view on what specifically they don't like about him, and have proven their reasoning goes beyond 'well we've run out of people to hate on'. You made the claim you couldn't back up, got called out on it and then ran away from the discussion by saying it wasn't worth your time and dismissed any opposing point of view as a 'non discussion'.

Take a step back and think who's been immature and dismissive, because it sure as hell hasn't been myself, Jawbreaker, Cactus or Bubz: we've all given a good reason as to why wrestlers like Eddie Edwards, Kurt Angle, Naomichi Marafuji or even Davey Richards himself aren't our favourite wrestlers, none of us are right or wrong but we certainly have more credibility at this point since we've brought up specific areas of criticism that Edwards can be brought up on, and haven't resorted to 'well he's drawn well so STFU'.
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for the love of god, look at yourself. you're the one who's being "Mr. Opposite" here. I've never thought Edwards was particularly good, but apparently I should have changed my mind once other people started to like him?
I stopped reading here. You still refuse to take in the point that claiming that the most popular wrestlers with the ROH crowd (Richards, Edwards, WGTT...) don't know how to get a response from the ROH crowd, is a mindnumbingly stupid thing to do.

Pick your battles more carefully.

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A rather pointless video wire...


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My god, I want a beard like Griz's
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my $0.02:

As a huge American Wolves fan who owns the t-shirts and everything, I have to admit that the detractors in this thread bring up very realistic complaints about their work and always engage in compelling discussion and conversation. They never make it a one sided argument, its just that their points are valid enough to not warrant a response. In fact I completely agree with all of their complaints. Why is it so hard to say, "okay, ya'll have a great point but I still enjoy their work" if you don't have a counter-point? I mean, disagree by all means if you really have something to bring to the table, but if not let's just acknowledge there's some good criticism here and continue enjoying what we enjoy.
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