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Old 09-11-2011, 10:57 AM   #2961 (permalink)
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PWG - Card Subject To Change III

1. Peter Avalon vs Johnny Yuma
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2. Candice LeRae vs Portia Perez
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3. Willie Mack vs Roderick Strong
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4. Low Ki vs Akira Tozawa
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5. Johnny Goodtime vs Ryan Taylor
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6. PWG World Title Match
Claudio Castagnoli vs Joey Ryan
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El Generico & Ricochet vs The Young Bucks
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The crowd seemed out of it at various parts of the show and not the usual PWG craziness.
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Lol at the Hero hate dont blame him for having a bad match with Colt.
Cabana sucks ass, but Chris Hero is hit or miss these days, tbh. Make no mistake, he's an awesome wrestler, but something on him bothers me, I can't put my finger on it. I totally see why people worship him and I'm okay with that, but his control sessions is matches are not so entertaining to me. I prefer CLAUDIO much more. Of course, they make one helluva tag team, probably the best in the world.
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Hero is a guy I'll always make time to watch on the Indies which is saying a lot considering my distaste for like 90% of what independent wrestling is like these days (strictly ring work here) but I can understand if people found some flaws/areas where he has room to improve.

I like the guy because he can essentially work any style of match, is a good mat worker when he's not just doing it because he can but trying to tie it into the story of the match, is one awesome striker and can play a great face/heel because unlike a lot of independent workers he takes the time to try and wrestle like a cocky heel or a psychotic heel or a heroic babyface. You won't see babyface Hero wrestling like cocky asshole Hero, he'll switch up and try to wrestle a newer style when his character evolves which is something I always appreciate in a worker, sometimes doing the simple things like that is way more impressive than the amount of counters or big impact moves a guy can hit and Hero definitely manages to mix cool looking offence with old school character work and a more intelligent useage of his offence so it comes off much better than the other wrestlers who have nothing besides their chops/kicks.

However..the guy can occasionally throw a lot of his good stuff out of the way and do pointless matwork because he's an exceptional mat wrestler and not tie it into the story, I don't mean to sound like a nerd who'll grab a pen and paper and look for flaws because I don't but I love matwork that can progress a match or a character of one of the workers, when it just gets thrown out for upto 5 minutes at the start before they move away into a strike exchange etc I'm often annoyed because I like each sequence in a match to build off of the last. Doing a lot of cool counters and holds but never taking the time to bring character work into it (i.e Hero as a heel being outwrestled on the mat and getting visibly pissed for the duration of the mat exchanges). Finlay and Regal are masters at being able to mat wrestle/grapple/counter into some fancy hold but make it mean so much more because they work within the holds, such as showing signs of anger/frustration when they're being outwrestled, Hero more often than not is one of the best mat workers on the Indies who strays away from the exhibitonary stuff and keeps it more focused and worthwhile but every now and then he can delve into just doing stuff for the hell of it. I've not seen him do it enough for it to become a major criticism/talking point but I do feel its something you can make an argument/case for if you watched more of his work than I have.

Right now though I'd say his main area where I can lose interest is his striking. He's an awesome striker be it punches/chops/forearms or elbows but he does tend to throw a stupid amount of strikes out there during matches (I think a PWG match vs Danielson springs to mind here) and more often than not when his opponent doesn't sell them and makes them look cheap (something I find happens a stupid amount of times on the indy scene which they try to cover with fighting spirit nonsense) and therefore ineffective and detracting from the quality of the match. There's also the danger that the guy will throw so many awesome strikes that when he hits one strike for the finish it can come off as a weaker finish when it may have been like his 5th best strike of the match. If he reeled it in a bit more or his opponent was more committed to selling the strikes (earth to a certain wild Wolf) then it wouldn't be as big a problem as it can be, but it is definitely something I could see a more old school guy not appreciating about Hero's work which is a shame because he is one of my favourites and definitely someone I'd put in the mold of Danielon/Punk/Nigel in mixing good offence that can entertain a smarkier crowd whilst still sticking to old school rasslin with storytelling, character work, mannerisms and building a match to a fitting conclusion.

Probably wrote a hell of a lot more than I intended to, but yeah Hero despite being awesome the majority of the time is definitely open to occasional flaws. Thankfully he's one of the most consistent workers on the Indy scene so its never more than an occasional fault as opposed to some of the more pimped workers who's flaws I find more apparent in much greater doses.
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He's an awesome striker be it punches/chops/forearms or elbows but he does tend to throw a stupid amount of strikes out there during matches (I think a PWG match vs Danielson springs to mind here).
But Danielson sold the elbows like A-Bombs and that match was that awesome to me that I didn't notice Hero threw like fifteen elbows or the match went over fourty minutes. Moreover, that just made sense because Hero was the arrogant champion that came to be a babyface champion because he were so awesome that the crowd started to love him, and then he found Danielson, a man who was more succesful and cheered for, and with every elbow and every kick out, Hero was getting more frustrated and nasty and when Danielson won(And this made sense too, because the absolute king of indies will no longer be in PWG and he has to leave every single tear in that ring), Hero cut a promo at backstage turning heel.

For me, that match was a simple five stars match, just delicious.
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Hero is a guy I'll always make time to watch on the Indies which is saying a lot considering my distaste for like 90% of what independent wrestling is like these days (strictly ring work here) but I can understand if people found some flaws/areas where he has room to improve.

I like the guy because he can essentially work any style of match, is a good mat worker when he's not just doing it because he can but trying to tie it into the story of the match, is one awesome striker and can play a great face/heel because unlike a lot of independent workers he takes the time to try and wrestle like a cocky heel or a psychotic heel or a heroic babyface. You won't see babyface Hero wrestling like cocky asshole Hero, he'll switch up and try to wrestle a newer style when his character evolves which is something I always appreciate in a worker, sometimes doing the simple things like that is way more impressive than the amount of counters or big impact moves a guy can hit and Hero definitely manages to mix cool looking offence with old school character work and a more intelligent useage of his offence so it comes off much better than the other wrestlers who have nothing besides their chops/kicks.

However..the guy can occasionally throw a lot of his good stuff out of the way and do pointless matwork because he's an exceptional mat wrestler and not tie it into the story, I don't mean to sound like a nerd who'll grab a pen and paper and look for flaws because I don't but I love matwork that can progress a match or a character of one of the workers, when it just gets thrown out for upto 5 minutes at the start before they move away into a strike exchange etc I'm often annoyed because I like each sequence in a match to build off of the last. Doing a lot of cool counters and holds but never taking the time to bring character work into it (i.e Hero as a heel being outwrestled on the mat and getting visibly pissed for the duration of the mat exchanges). Finlay and Regal are masters at being able to mat wrestle/grapple/counter into some fancy hold but make it mean so much more because they work within the holds, such as showing signs of anger/frustration when they're being outwrestled, Hero more often than not is one of the best mat workers on the Indies who strays away from the exhibitonary stuff and keeps it more focused and worthwhile but every now and then he can delve into just doing stuff for the hell of it. I've not seen him do it enough for it to become a major criticism/talking point but I do feel its something you can make an argument/case for if you watched more of his work than I have.

Right now though I'd say his main area where I can lose interest is his striking. He's an awesome striker be it punches/chops/forearms or elbows but he does tend to throw a stupid amount of strikes out there during matches (I think a PWG match vs Danielson springs to mind here) and more often than not when his opponent doesn't sell them and makes them look cheap (something I find happens a stupid amount of times on the indy scene which they try to cover with fighting spirit nonsense) and therefore ineffective and detracting from the quality of the match. There's also the danger that the guy will throw so many awesome strikes that when he hits one strike for the finish it can come off as a weaker finish when it may have been like his 5th best strike of the match. If he reeled it in a bit more or his opponent was more committed to selling the strikes (earth to a certain wild Wolf) then it wouldn't be as big a problem as it can be, but it is definitely something I could see a more old school guy not appreciating about Hero's work which is a shame because he is one of my favourites and definitely someone I'd put in the mold of Danielon/Punk/Nigel in mixing good offence that can entertain a smarkier crowd whilst still sticking to old school rasslin with storytelling, character work, mannerisms and building a match to a fitting conclusion.

Probably wrote a hell of a lot more than I intended to, but yeah Hero despite being awesome the majority of the time is definitely open to occasional flaws. Thankfully he's one of the most consistent workers on the Indy scene so its never more than an occasional fault as opposed to some of the more pimped workers who's flaws I find more apparent in much greater doses.
I agree pretty much, as for the criticism's I would have probably agreed with you last year, but this year he has toned down on the amount of elbows etc and really only uses them for good-great nearfalls, he uses that fucking awesome spinning kick (cyclone kill) as his main strike finisher now I think. His mat work just gets better and better and I havn't seen a match this year were I thought it came off as pointless. He has had some great matches this year outside and apart from his ROH Davey and Eddie matches he never seems to go into overkill mode like most guys do. His match with Sabre Jr in WXW this year is a great place to see just where he is at in terms of making the matwork fit and using his strikes amazingly aswell as showing how great of a seller he is. The guy is probably my favorite wrestler to watch at the minute.
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CZW - International Incident

1. Kyle O'Reilly vs Sami Callihan
**1/2

2. CZW Wired Title
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3. Philly's Most Wanted vs Bandido Jr & Azrieal
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4. CZW World Junior Heavyweight Title
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5. AR Fox vs Jonathan Gresham vs Ryan McBride vs Ryan Slater vs Alex Colon vs Ty Hagen
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6. Jon Moxley vs Jake Crist
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You see, Prince Nana and the Embassy are on a completely different level then any other group of athletes and executives in the world. What do you know about foreign affairs ladies and gentleman? See what I mean? ……Fools!

In the next few months Prince Nana and The Embassy will implement its ideas and ideology on how the wrestling business should work moving forward. It’s an idea that has been buried in those I choose to associate with; because of the abuse of power from others we consider third party affiliates. How will we do this? For example… Currently my Princess Mia is preparing to come back to Ring of Honor in NYC on the 17th by my side after spending almost 3 months in Japan. She has wrestled some of the top women in pro wrestling today and has learned more self defense, wrestling and MMA in three months then some of these broads did in 10 years. How dare any woman in ROH step to our throne without bowing down to the true royalty of wrestling.

The Dominant Male Tommaso Ciampa? Just saying the name of this true athlete brings a tear to my eye like cutting a onion for some goat head water stew. Not only is he undefeated here in Ring Of Honor, he is the only man on the roster completely backed by a conglomerate of 100% solid gold, without having a belt here.

So this news of Homicide being released from his therapy at Belleview hospital and his thugs being after me and my institution in NYC is totally historical to me… Homicide is a BUM and I’ll treat a BUM the way a BUM wants to be treated. You want another payday Homicide? Hahaha, you want to come back for revenge on the 17th? Well since you have recruited the services of The Wicked Witch of the West Jay Lethal (have you seen his perm lately?? Out of control if you ask me) you have perfectly positioned yourself and the witch for a true defeat. The history between The Witch and “The E” go back, way back to a title that once existed in this company and that I was to single handedly unify here in ROH until this Virgil called Lethal got involved.

I pay tens of thousands of dollars a month to ensure we are safe and powerful…. And at this point in time Lethal even though your the TV champion your work means absolutely nothing to what’s going to really be going down. So on the 17th in NYC it’s going to be a pleasure seeing my chosen Bodyguard Rhino and Tommaso finally put these idiots into a wrestling grave.

As far as national television is concerned. It’s going to be a huge accomplishment. September 24th will be a day of proclamation and a huge point will be made in our industry and I’m very proud of our new presentation. In time the whole world will know about The Embassy and ROH Wrestling, and the belts will be more prestigious then any other in the industry once they are all in my possession.

This is only the beginning for “The E”

With that said I want to remind everyone to follow me on twitter @PrinceKingNana and go to the new site www.PrinceNana.com for all the latest on what’s really about to go down as we get closer to September 17th Live in NYC for Death Before Dishonor.

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