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Old 08-12-2011, 02:09 PM   #2681 (permalink)
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BITW has really managed to reignite my interest in ROH, so far. I mostly despised the Tag Title four-way and am somewhat dreading to watch the main event, but the undercard has had a good amount of entertainment to it.

I still can't take Elgin seriously by the way. He's like the poor man's everything.
The show did the exact opposite for me in all honesty. Steen was the only thing that really made me want to see more ROH.
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Old 08-12-2011, 02:41 PM   #2682 (permalink)
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Your business sense is terrible. Not giving the biggest draws contracts would be retarded. We've been through this. ROH don't base their business practice on whether jawbreaker likes a team or not.

WGTT, although not mine or your personal favourite, are the most popular act in Ring of Honor. It's a measurable fact.
The ROH name draws more new fans than anyone on the actual roster. People who watch ROH for the first time generally do so because they've heard people say it's the best wrestling company in the world. For the tag belts to be on the worst team in the company does not make ROH look like the best wrestling company in the world.

They're going to stop drawing when people start to realize they suck, which, if it hasn't happened already, will soon. And they're risking alienating their current fanbase too.

ROH sells a product. If they want people to keep buying their product, they need to focus on what makes the product good, or at least what (not who) the fans want to see. I don't like Eddie Edwards, but he is massively over and lots of people like his matches, so I'm not going to complain that he's in the company. I'll complain about how he can't wrestle the role he's cast in, but I won't complain when ROH signs him to a contract because he's hot right now and even though I don't like him, he's making the company money and will for the foreseeable future.

WGTT on the other hand get less of a reaction every time out, and more and more people start to dislike them with every match they have. If they keep wrestling like they've been wrestling, it's only a matter of time before they get go-away heat.
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I don't know.

Rhino got me hyped and I want to see more of him. An Embassy of Nana, Yim, Ciampa, Rhino, R.D Evans and Taylor on occasions would have me hyped. The best incarnation for god knows how long.
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I'm with TaylorFitz. The dreadful tag match and wildly overrated main event probably did more to turn me off of ROH for a little while than the awesome Steen stuff did to get me excited. Also they're running shows at an almost PWG-like pace, which, when you're actually trying to do storylines, doesn't really work, especially when the next show (at least on paper) appears to be a rehash/primer more than any actual new developments.

I dunno. I'm not in as bad a rut as I was from like April-June, but the interest I had kinda recently has died down a bit.
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I'm with TaylorFitz. The dreadful tag match and wildly overrated main event probably did more to turn me off of ROH for a little while than the awesome Steen stuff did to get me excited. Also they're running shows at an almost PWG-like pace, which, when you're actually trying to do storylines, doesn't really work, especially when the next show (at least on paper) appears to be a rehash/primer more than any actual new developments.

I dunno. I'm not in as bad a rut as I was from like April-June, but the interest I had kinda recently has died down a bit.
I don't think the lack of events and general newsworthy stuff as of late helps.

I think once the TV tapings pass and all becomes clear of what direction SBG are going in, things will pick up again.
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The ROH name draws more new fans than anyone on the actual roster. People who watch ROH for the first time generally do so because they've heard people say it's the best wrestling company in the world. For the tag belts to be on the worst team in the company does not make ROH look like the best wrestling company in the world.

They're going to stop drawing when people start to realize they suck, which, if it hasn't happened already, will soon. And they're risking alienating their current fanbase too.

ROH sells a product. If they want people to keep buying their product, they need to focus on what makes the product good, or at least what (not who) the fans want to see. I don't like Eddie Edwards, but he is massively over and lots of people like his matches, so I'm not going to complain that he's in the company. I'll complain about how he can't wrestle the role he's cast in, but I won't complain when ROH signs him to a contract because he's hot right now and even though I don't like him, he's making the company money and will for the foreseeable future.

WGTT on the other hand get less of a reaction every time out, and more and more people start to dislike them with every match they have. If they keep wrestling like they've been wrestling, it's only a matter of time before they get go-away heat.
I totally agree with the idea of not baiting and switching people but you need to understand that the opinion that WGTT haven't added anything to ROH is only held by an extremely small minority of people. It's mostly a meme that's sprung up around you, on this one forum. Much like the anti-Davey schtick.

If you're in touch with ROH's wider internet presence, have seen the majority of ROH-related comments in the non-ROH sections of forums or are aware of the buyrates that WGTT have brought in, you'll know that no-one has a problem with them. Far from it. They're the most talked about act in Ring of Honor.

As far as the drawing goes...

GBHIX is the best selling DVD in the history of the current online shop. This just happens to be the one DVD, that features WGTT, that's been available for longer than any others. It's a shit show, that's main USP is the WGTT debut and the quality of that match.

9AS and HTCS drew surprisingly high buyrates. Those shows were main evented by WGTT. They're also, apparently, amongst the fastest-selling DVD releases in ROH history.

The lengths that you'll go to, to oversell your dislike of someone/something (i.e. "worst team in the company") aren't doing you any favours. Acting as though WGTT need to spend time training under such well-rounded, seasoned veterans as Cole & O'Reilly is obviously some kind of joke, on your part. No-one could truly believe that.

Regardless, your opinion of an act isn't relevant to ROH's business. Making out as though it is, makes you seem much less intelligent than you actually are. If you're going to question business practice, you have to put personal bias aside. There's absolutely no question that WGTT should be contracted to ROH, it's not even remotely debatable. The numbers don't lie. Contracting them is, in no way, a "bad move" and I think you know that.
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Yeah it's glaringly obvious why they're under contract. No denying the extra mainstream interest that they create for the product from their WWE exposure. I can totally see where jawbreaker is coming from when he says having them as your champs and having them putting such average and sometimes bad matches is bad for their business too as it goes against their USP of being more wrestling orientated and offering the best wrestling available. That is largely what people try ROH for to watch quality wrestling that the mainstream companies don't offer. I definitely think Haas and Benjamin have a place in the company for their drawing power but they need to really step their game up quickly before they start driving potential new fans away. A guy like Rhino could do a similar job in drawing mainstream fans to the product (although granted not as strong of a draw as WGTT) but at least he's a reliable act for a fun match. Problem is there isn't many guys who can work that have had mainstream exposure with WWE that are available.
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I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thought the tag match was awful. Man that match was bad......especially with The Briscoes being eliminated first. The finals should of been ANX vs The Briscoes with ANX winning the tag titles.
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I don't think the lack of events and general newsworthy stuff as of late helps.

I think once the TV tapings pass and all becomes clear of what direction SBG are going in, things will pick up again.
When they start announcing things for the ippv and it looks more like a normal show then a rehash that and finally revealing more tv taping locations should help.
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