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#8,317 ·
Only thing getting me back into ROH is a change of in ring style or a new influx of talent. The style aint changing and there isn't the talent outside of ROH to bring in either. Once ROH lost all the talented wrestlers they were doomed because their whole selling point was supplying the type of wrestling mainstream fans wanted. I guess they still do but they don't have the resources to do it effectively. There's a ton of other problems they have but that's the main one.
 
#8,318 ·
Anyone seen CZW:Wanted round' here?
 
#8,333 ·
CZW Wanted is worth a watch for the opener, Fox vs Azriel, and Callihan vs Jacobs. Skip the rest.
It was a pretty average show and I was in the front row for it. Fox/Azriel and Callihan/Jacobs were both really good. I got a mid match high five from Sami so that was cool as well.

Dreamer/Cole was also fun because it's Adam Cole. Dreamer was actually really funny. He spit water in the ref's face and the guy behind me screamed, "Spit water in my face!" and Dreamer did it. So that was pretty hilarious.

Main event was a total let down though. They acted like it was going to be this crazy hardcore war and it was mostly just everyone punching each other. There was some good Von Eerie/Masada storyline advancement though.
 
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PWO Wrestlelution 4: Overdrive

- Bobby Beverly vs. Michael Facade vs. Gory
- ***
- Really good opening contest. I was expecting more though. I like all three men and think they're really under-rated, but I feel like this match never really got out of second gear.


- Ben Fruith vs. Bobby Shields
- **
- This match really wasn't that good. Fruith's character annoys me. It was a basic match with the "loser" babyface going over the cocky heel. Fruith really wasn't really that good in the ring.

- Kirst vs. Corey Winters
- ***
- This match was okay. It had a backstory, which made it interesting. Nothing memorable happened, but it still wasn't a bad match



- Johnny Gargano vs. "M-Dogg 20" Matt Cross vs. Josh Prohibition
- ****
- Prohibition's first match in 2 years, and he hasn't lost a step IMO. I'm a huge fan of all three, and had high expectations for this match, but overall I was slightly disappointed. This seemed to be *the* storyline heading into the show. It was what caught my attention in regards to PWO to begin with, but it was on the first half of the show. The finish was botched, at no fault of the wrestlers. I guess it's one of those dream matches that will let people down no matter how good they make it.


- Veda Scott vs. Portia Perez
- **
- Nothing great. Not really sure what the purpose of the match was.


- N8 Mattson & Benjamin Boone vs. Louis Lyndon & Flip Kendrick vs. Gregory Iron & Hobo Joe vs. Bryan Castle & Brian Bender
- ***.5
- Better than I expected. Only thing I didn't like was they did one spot where multiple people did dives and it looked really coreographed because they all got knocked down and kept getting right back up. Nothing major, but still annoying.

- Tito Santana vs. Nicki Valentino
- **
- Again, nothing special. It fit into a storyline, and seemed to be an excuse to book a name. Shouldn't have been so high up on the card IMO.


- Jason Bane vs. Krimson
- ****
- I loved this match. I'm a huge fan of Krimson. CK3 changing into Krimson to me is similar to Bradshaw becoming JBL, Shawn Michaels becoming The Heartbreak Kid, "Stunning" Steve Austin becoming Stone Cold, etc. He plays the character so well. In ways, it's just a rip-off/combination of several different characters, but he's really made it into it's own thing. Anyways, this match was great. They brawled all over the venue, used chairs, thumbtacks, glass, the DWS got involved, etc. If you're a fan of hardcore matches, you should really like this.


- Kevin Nash & Aaron Draven vs. Marion Fontaine & Brodie Lee
- **
- Really disappointing for a main event. When Draven and Fontaine were in, Even Brodie was good (If I remember correctly, he said in his shoot that he had a broken leg when he wrestled this match). Nash was Nash. 'Nuff said. Funny thing was when Nash was coming out, you hear some guy yelling "YOU HELD DOWN CHRIS JERICHO" and a bunch of other things. The same guy is yelling at Nash when he's in the corner near him and Nash talks to him from the ring. Pretty funny stuff. Also, Marion Fontaine is my new favorite wrestler. I feel bad for not realizing his greatness sooner.


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- Overall, this was a decent show. I feel like some matches should have been swapped around though. For an event with the tagline "Overdrive", this show felt like it never went into "third gear"
 
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It wasn't even the lack of selling that took me out of Elgin/Gargano. Crowd that bad gives them a heck of a lot to work against from the start but you watch that and these are supposed to be 2 of the best stars on the Indies right now. Yikes. It was just flat out bad in every sense imaginable. Like two guys who didn't have a clue how to put a match together. At all.
 
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Gargano's a guy who needs someone to guide him through a good match. With the right guy who's a great worker he can look good by playing off them. Otherwise he really isn't up to much. He could be though but not on this current scene. Like I keep saying none of the Gargano's on the Indies will go anywhere anytime soon. It's like WWE developmental. Putting workers who need improving against workers who need improving doesn't get anywhere. They all need a Danielson type guy to elevate them to that next stage. Tyler Black would never have been viewed as much of a great wrestler as he was on the Indies without Danielson and Nigel taking him to that level. Look at some of the matches he was having in ROH after they left compared to matches with them 2, Aries and Jacobs. It's a vicious cycle where they all keep going around in circle doing the same shit getting nowhere. Best hope is someone in Japan picks them up but that's very unlikely unless you're a Ricochet/Rich Swann type high flyer who Dragon Gate will pick up.
 
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Gargano is pretty good in my eyes. Wouldn't claim him to be great. Good works. Or perhaps sometimes I'm a sucker for a guy with a flashy moveset who doesn't overuse it. Point being, I've said the same you have about the ring generals needing to be on the indie scene. Without them the workers who need to be grounded won't be. It's not a coincidence the indie stuff from 2013 I've seen has been pretty underwhelming for the majority. Matt Hardy is better than most out there today and yet he gets hate non-stop. He's kind of valuable at this rate.
 
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Why are you guys talking about NOAH? Does it have something to do with the pic that won't show up?



If it's from the Conspiracy Theory show it was said to be good not great. I still have Hell on Earth and End Of The World to get through before then.

Matt Hardy is better than most out there today and yet he gets hate non-stop. He's kind of valuable at this rate.
Well between his reputation (which he's earned), the fact that he represents some of the things that old ROH fans hate about the new ROH, that he went over a guy some consider a future star and that he really hasn't had that really good matches (the Cole at FB was fine, vs. Whitmer/4CS on tv below average and the Titus one was god awful) lead to the hate.
 
#8,334 ·
Just to throw a spanner in the works on the whole Gargano thing, I haven't seen it but didn't everyone rave about the Gargano vs Jon Davis No Rope match from DGUSA Revolt earlier this year? I find it hard to believe Davis was the one doing the carrying.

Not that I'm disagreeing - I've never really seen the hype for Gargano. He's pretty generic in my book, but hey, thought I'd point it out for shits and giggles.
 
#8,338 ·
I love Gargano. He's one of those guys who's always inspired me. Especially since Evolve 10. His matches always entertain me, and he has a really cool moveset. I feel he's one of the few guys who have truly done everything in indy wrestling and can go off to WWE right now and leave nothing behind, storyline wise, unlike Sami, Cole, Steen, Generico, etc. I've said it before, but I would have loved to see Generico stay on the indies for like 6 more months just so PWG could properly do whatever they had planned with the DDT4 teaming.


PRIME Wrestling is having a DVD clearance sale. Everything on this page is $5 according to them. Great chance for people to check them out if you've never seen them before. http://primewrestling.com/store-archives.php
 
#8,348 ·
Border Wars pic with ROH & NOAH logos on it.

I stand by the Whitmer match being the MOTN from Defy or Deny 2013. Liked it a bunch more than the four way. Can't see how Hardy is what represents current ROH. I'd say so many others do over him. Win over Cole wasn't something I was into. Won't credit that towards Matt more than I do the booking. Guess it leaves me confused how some guys in ROH can get put over by some who watch yet Matt Hardy shows up and doesn't get greeted the same even though his track record has proven to be worth something right now when the roster is off running wild in crap performances.
 
#8,352 ·
Motivated and clean Matt Hardy was really great. Fans don't view him as that Hardy anymore though. They just see a washed up has been who's in a terrible state and doesn't want to get out of that state. The Hardy who was in ROH in 2005 and this Hardy are totally different. I can see where fans come from in that sense of not wanting a character like that around. Haven't seen him wrestle post WWE though but I imagine he isn't in the best shape of his life.
 
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