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#5,709 ·
EVOLVE is three years old and had Finlay and Generico on one show, Callihan on both (regard of what I may think of him) and Low Ki on both. The fact they could not even draw 300/400 each night is ridiculous. i wish Gabe would leave DG: USA behind and concentrate on EVOLVE. If he cut out being a cunt, EVOLVE has potential. Real potential. I've always said that.

The one thing that could, and will now hurt him is that ROH is taking legal action against him for comments he made, which are in breach of the terms of his agreement upon leaving.
 
#5,710 ·
EVOLVE would be doing much better if someone else runned it. Gabe's got DGUSA and ROH distractions which clearly hurt EVOLVE. An Indy show with Finlay/Generico/Low Ki/Callihan should not be struggling to draw 100 people. It's not like EVOLVE is a local Indy on a tight budget with nothing to work with either. They've got international talent and mainstream attention as far as the Indy market goes.

I wonder how badly them being on iPPV hurts their live attendance. Any word on what iPPV numbers they do? There isn't really a live experience you associate with an EVOLVE show like you would a ROH show.
 
#5,711 ·
Well they need to stop running in places like North Carolina for one and right now stay in the northeast and maybe a show in the midwest because the lack of crowd heat always seems like one of the problems for EVOVLE/DGUSA. Also advertise because aside from Platt's sig and the thread on it I barely noticed anyone talking about the shows until the day of. But Gabe's got to keep ties with DGUSA because without that backing I don't know if he could keep the top guys he has for EVOLVE and without them I don't know how long EVOLVE would last.
 
#5,718 · (Edited)
lol. And yeah without the promise/possibility of going to Japan, Talent really drops off.


So how come Gabe goes on a tear about ROH not being properly ready for the iPPV, which granted they weren't but I kinda could get why though, yet he doesn't give his wrestlers the best shot on putting on a really awesome show because they didn't have a crowd. Its hard to feed off such a small crowd.
Whats even worse is that he had problems the first time he went on iPPV


EVOLVE is three years old and had Finlay and Generico on one show, Callihan on both (regard of what I may think of him) and Low Ki on both. The fact they could not even draw 300/400 each night is ridiculous. i wish Gabe would leave DG: USA behind and concentrate on EVOLVE. If he cut out being a cunt, EVOLVE has potential. Real potential. I've always said that.

The one thing that could, and will now hurt him is that ROH is taking legal action against him for comments he made, which are in breach of the terms of his agreement upon leaving.
That will be interesting. Gabe could be out of a bit of money


EVOLVE would be doing much better if someone else runned it. Gabe's got DGUSA and ROH distractions which clearly hurt EVOLVE. An Indy show with Finlay/Generico/Low Ki/Callihan should not be struggling to draw 100 people. It's not like EVOLVE is a local Indy on a tight budget with nothing to work with either. They've got international talent and mainstream attention as far as the Indy market goes.

I wonder how badly them being on iPPV hurts their live attendance. Any word on what iPPV numbers they do? There isn't really a live experience you associate with an EVOLVE show like you would a ROH show.
Meltzer mentioned awhile back there numbers on PPV for Mania weekend for the $2 show did close to 2000 buys but other then that, I've never seen numbers posted.


Wrestling Is Fun (WIF) - Two

1. STIGMA vs Gran Akuma
**

2. UltraMantis Black & Hallowicked vs The Batiri
***

3. Jack Bonza vs Shazza McKenzie
*1/2

4. Mr Touchdown vs Dragonfly
*

5. Ophidian vs Dasher Hatfield
**3/4

6. Johnny Ego vs Fire Ant
***1/4

7. Jigsaw vs Kodama
***

8. Green Ant & Saturyne vs Los Ice Creams
**3/4​
 
#5,712 · (Edited)
EVOLVE/DGUSA couldn't even draw at the Rahway Rec. Center, outside of the original show. EVERYONE draws at Rahway. It really comes down to the complete lack (None) of promotion and lazy effort put in by Gabe and Sal. Sure, there's something to be said for the notable names being used/promoted, but how much can you actually rely, strictly, on the internet? Even more so when you announce shows and the main matches less than a month out? Gabe and Sal rely strictly on DVD sales, and now iPPVs, to make up for what they don't draw. It's been proven over time. They did the same thing with ROH and why when they went to new markets they were so baffled at the lack of people showing up. Not a difficult concept. You have to promote. Gabe's idea of promoting is posting links every two hours the day before a weekend of shows on Twitter.

If people keep shilling out x amount for DVDs/iPPVs, though, it could just turn into quantity. No idea what their numbers are. It'd be nice if they could establish one venue for EVOLVE, run a show/weekend every 4 weeks, and build from there. Been said a million times, EVOLVE needs to be the EC PWG, even in this sense.

Btw, word going around is that Highspots actually bankrolled both the Toronto and NC shows, which would explain a lot.
 
#5,715 ·
It's a damn shame that EVOLVE drew such a miserable live crowds for 12 and 13. I'm usually a guy who has this anti-populistic POV and sees things his way (don't give a shit about other people emotional/mass investments, and live crowds), but the lack of a bigger crowd really hurt some macthes, like LowKi/Jigsaw, LowKi/Davis and Ricochet/Generico. Those matches were great, but could have been bonafide MOTYCs in different enviroments. Yeah, I can't believe I'm saying that...
 
#5,716 ·
Gabe post this in the ROHWorld Forum:

I apologize to any fan who took offense. The worst thing is putting any of you in the middle. There is plenty of good wrestling for you to support and I hope you will. I just wrote this on my Facebook and it is very heartfelt. Thanks for hearing me out. I'll leave the board now.

"You stop yourself from saying something 1000 times, but the one time you take 30 seconds and write something out of anger it blows up beyond your imagination. If you are reading this the bottom line is all you really care about is great wrestling, good storylines and something compelling. We had two awesome EVOLVE shows last weekend. Jon Davis stepped up and put in the best weekend of his career. AR Fox showed why we called him the "#1 draft pick" last year with three very different, amazing matches. Low Ki proved why he is now an esteemed veteran. El Generico made his case for being among the elite in the world. Sami Callihan and Ricochet both proved why they are at the top of the list of today's new stars. Johnny Gargano was a Champion in every sense of the word, including giving a 5th grader and her family a memory they will always cherish. The list goes on and on with Samuray Del Sol, Jigsaw, Chuck Taylor, Silas Young all delivering and everyone on the undercard doing their part. Our staff of Ivan, Bryan, Sean and Brandon among others, led by Sal, worked tirelessly to put on those two memorable events and great iPPV streams. I took the attention away from all that by losing my cool for a moment and lashing out with profanity. I can't make any promises in the future, but I'll remember this lesson. I ended up doing the last thing I wanted to do- take the attention off the wrestling that we all care about."


Is so lol I´m sorry but buy EVOLVE!
 
#5,717 · (Edited)
Ring Of Honor - At Our Best (March 13th, 2004)

The Amazing Red vs. Jack Evans vs. Jimmy Rave vs. Teddy Hart vs. Sonjay Dutt vs. Mark Briscoe
**3/4
Nice way to open the show, at parts it was kinda slow (for my taste) other than that it had some nice spots.

Slyk Wagner Brown (w/ April Hunter) vs. Xavier (w/ Prince Nana)
*1/2

Nigel McGuinness vs. Jerry Lynn
**
I was expecting a 30 minute technical showcase but this was barely 10 minutes if I remember correct..

Number One Contenders Trophy
Matt Stryker vs. John Walters

*1/2

The Second City Saints (Colt Cabana and Ace Steel w/Traci Brooks) vs. The Prophecy (BJ Whitmer and Dan Maff w/Allison Danger)
**

ROH Pure Wrestling Title
CM Punk vs. "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles (c)

***1/2
This was an awesome match, after the match Ricky Steamboat who was the guest ref even handed out some Arm Drags.

Hydro vs. Roderick Strong
No rating
Both this match and Aries vs Daniels was just a 3 minute clip of a couple spots + the finish. Why bother putting them in the chapters menu if they're just clipped matches. Atleast call it "Hydro vs Strong Highlights" so I don't expect to see a full match. fpalm

Austin Aries vs. Danny Daniels
No rating, same as above.

Cage Match
ROH World Heavyweight Championship
Samoa Joe (c) vs. Jay Briscoe (w/Mark Briscoe)

***1/2
Awesome brutal match. Jay bled buckets of blood, it was fun rooting for Jay to try and make a comeback after being beaten up by Joe nearly the whole match.

Scramble Cage Match
The Carnage Crew (Loc, DeVito, Justin Credible and Masada) vs. Special K (Izzy, Dixie, Hydro, Angel Dust, Lit, Deranged, Slim J, Mellow and various other goofs)

**1/2
I heard people thought this was a terrible match but I liked it. Masada doing a 450 Splash from the top was pretty sweet.

Overal a decent show. Only Joe vs Jay and Punk vs Styles are really worth watching, the other matches not so much.

EDIT: Does anyone know what exactly happened between Dan Maff and Homocide that caused Maff to be blackballed from alot of promotions? I heard Maff fucked Homocide's underage sister or something but I don't know if that's true? It happened some years ago so maybe it's been cleared up by now?
 
#5,720 ·
2009: The Omega Effect, Aries vs Richards & Final Battle 2009

2010: Death Before Dishonor VIII, Final Battle 2010, Supercard Of Honor V, Bitter Friends Stiffer Enemies 2, Salvation, Glory By Honor IX

2011: Manhatten Mayhem IV, Only The Strong Survive, Honor Takes Center Stage: Chapter 1
 
#5,723 ·
Just a few off my head

ROH
Steen/Corino vs. Generico/Cabana (Chicago Street Fight) - Bitter Friends Stiffer Enemies 2
Steen vs. Generico - Death Before Dishonor VIII
Steen vs. Cabana (34th Street Deathmatch) - Supercard Of Honor V
Steen vs. Tyler Black (ROH World Title) - Salvation
Steen/Corino vs. Generico/Cabana (Tag Chain Match) - Glory By Honor IX
Steen/Corino vs. Generico/Cabana (Anything Goes) - ROH on HDNet Vol. 7
Steen vs. Generico (Fight Without Honor) - Final Battle 2010
Generico vs. Daniels (ROH World TV Title) - Best In The World 2011
Steen vs. Generico (Last Man Standing) - Showdown In The Sun Day 1

PWG
Generico vs. Claudio Castagnoli (PWG World Title) - Kurt RussellReunion 2
Steen/Akira Tozawa vs. Generico/Ricochet - All Star Weekend 8 Night 1
Steen vs. Generico (Finals) - BOLA 2011
Steen vs. Generico (Ladder Match/PWG World Title) - Steen Wolf
Generico vs. Dick Togo - FEAR
Steen/Super Dragon vs. Young Bucks (Guerrilla Warfare/PWG Tag Titles) - FEAR
 
#5,724 · (Edited)
2009
- Aries vs Richards (Great Aries vs Richards match + Nakajima vs Omega)
- The Omega Effect (Aries vs Omega & Nakajima vs Generico)
- Double Feature II (Am Wolves vs Danielson/Black is amazing)

2010
- Final Battle 2010 (Davey vs Roddy & Steen vs Generico)
- Death Before Dishonor VIII (Davey vs Tyler, Daniels vs Omega etc)
- Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enemies 2 (Great Tag Main and heaps of other fun stuff)
- Ring of Honor HDNet Vol 3 (Aries vs Strong is my favourite HDNet Match)

2011
- Only The Strong Survive (Strong vs Jay, Daniels vs Claudio & Hero vs Davey)
- So Cal Showdown II (TJP vs Davey, KOW vs WGTT, Strong vs Generico)
- Manhattan Mayhem IV (KOW vs LAX, Daniels vs Davey, Strong vs Eddie)
- Revolution Canada (One match for me under *** and the Fun Cabana/Delirious match)


IWA Unlimited
Akira Tozawa & Christian Rose vs Kentucky Buffet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yuk4fLjY8p8
***
 
#5,725 ·
Border Wars was a great show and even the less enjoyable matches still took nothing away from the overall experience of the show. Steen winning was alright but I came out of that match more impressed with Davey Richards, I marked so hard for the DR Driver. As a Davey fan, I hope ROH lets him take the summer off after Best In The World and come back in the fall. After a string of strong cards I hope that they can continue that trend into Best In The World.
 
#5,728 ·
Final Battle 2010 is such a overrated match. Steenwolf is a far better blowoff.
 
#5,731 ·
Final Battle was just to much overkill for me. I know it is a hate match but c'mon....Brainbuster, Brainbuster on the apron, super brainbuster, Package piledriver, Package Piledriver on the chair, and it all ends with a chair shot? I love when people kinda bring it all full circle but just way to much happened beforehand. They tried to hard to have a epic blowoff where there match in PWG just personified everything they were going for. The bumps were unpredictable, there was clear disdain for one another, and everything had a drama to it while complementing both their characters. Such a better match. They also didn't spam their whole arsenal.
 
#5,736 ·
Low Ki is playing an asshole veteran trying to bury and patronise other guys. He's not a full heel yet, but he's going there.
 
#5,737 ·
Wrestling Is Fun (WIF) - Three

1. Kobald vs Soldier Ant
**1/2

2. CD Sensation vs Aaron Scott vs El Orreo
*3/4

3. Ophidian vs Saturyne
**1/4

4. STIGMA vs Dasher Hatfield
B
The B is for Baseball. It turned into a baseball match

5. Johnny Ego vs Gran Akuma
**3/4

6. Mr Touchdown vs Dalton Castle
**1/2

7. The Batiri vs The Colony vs Jack Bonza & QT Marshall
***1/4​
 
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