I wouldn't say Steen's a heel in PWG, obviously he is in ROH, but even then he's more of an anti hero I think. He plays a dick in PWG, but the only times he's acted heelish this year is when it comes to Generico, but that's because he despises him so much.
He's not a heel in PWG. His feud with Generico knows no aligment. It's just off the charts HATE. He's always been the classic dick/bully no matter what. That's the beauty of Steen. Then playing off a INSANE face like Generico, pfft. Forget about it.
In my own defense, I was specifically addressing the feud with Generico as pertains to the Steen Wolf match.
But to further the discussion, if one looks at Kevin Steen as a character/independent wrestler in any promotion he works for, he doesn't change his behavior. The little things he does screams heel even if the audience reacts differently. Picking fights with fans, blowing snot, spitting, mocking, etc..
I see Steen as a throwback to the 'old-school' wrestling villains.
A question. How much does Steen's hero/anti-hero/heel status have to do with the modern wrestling fan's attitudes? The Attitude Era blew the doors off of the 'sheep cheering the hero' mentality and fans nowadays seem to cheer who they like regardless to face/heel booking/positioning, especially on the independent level.
I think that mentality of cheering who you think is cool needs end. Guys like Steen are doing it in independent wrestling as well. I was at Final Battle where Steen went against Generico and I was wearing a Kevin Steen shirt yet ended up rooting for Generico because Generico is impossible to boo and Steen was so easy to hate. When Steen is in the ring with Generico he is a complete heel and he had the PWG fans, who love him, cheering for Generico and even some were booing him. Wrestling needs to go back to atmospheres like that where you can still think a heel is a great wrestlers but boo him anyway. It makes it more enjoyable for everyone involved and.
Steen is looked at as this really fresh thing in independent wrestling but in PWG he has the most old school character. Everyone loves him yet they root against him and boo him. It's even happened in ROH where Generico has more support behind him in every match they had. A lot of it has to do with the fact that Generico goes against everything in independent wrestling. He has a goofy character that sounds like someone that we should shit all over. Yet he gets cheered like crazy.
I'd say it doesn't affect things much. People are gonna cheer for Steen despite any of his outlandish dick antics if they're just a fan. That's been proven since he showed up on the scene, imo. Like you said, fans nowadays cheer for who they enjoy. The philosophy you put out comes full circle towards Mr. Wrestling. He might be able to push the alignments to the edge more so than others, yet I think that is one quality that is impressive.
4) Matt Classic vs Kikutaro ~ ** lmao this is the best)
5) Kevin Steen vs Jack Evans ~ ***
6) Joey Ryan/Chris Bosh/Scott Lost/Karl Anderson vs Frankie Kazarian/Ronin/TJ Perkins/Top Gun Talwar ~ **
7) Alex Shelley vs Kaz Hayashi ~ ****
8) Low Ki vs Davey Richards ~ ***1/4
9) PWG World Championship ~ El Generico(c) vs PAC ~ ****
Haven't watched this in years. Still holds up as a heck of a show. Generico/PAC's final moments are STILL insane. Totally makes it reach 4 star level. Wow. PAC's neck was smashed after missing the 630 moonsault. Unbelievable.
I personally like the Eddie Edwards shirt and will probably pick it up. Seems fitting since I am probably the only Edwards mark on these forums. Yay me
Going by the rate PWG uploads teasers/DVD links onto Youtube, on average two weeks after the event. Though that simply could be pre-release "teasers" and nothing more, as I've never actually gotten a hold of the vids on their debuts.
1) Chris Hero/Tank Toland vs Eddie Edwards/Jason Blade ~ ***
2) Top of the Class Trophy ~ Shane Hagadorn(c) vs Pelle Primeau ~ **
3) Claudio Castagnoli vs Rocky Romero ~ ***3/4
4) El Generico/Kevin Steen vs Jay Briscoe/Erick Stevens (& Mark Briscoe) ~ ****
5) Colt Cabana vs Doug Williams ~ **3/4
6) Sara Del Rey vs Ernie Osiris ~ 1/2*
7) Shingo Takagi vs Matt Cross ~ ***
8) Roderick Strong/Davey Richards vs Jack Evans/Delirious ~ ***1/2
9) ROH World Championship ~ Takeshi Morishima(c) vs Nigel McGuinness ~ ****
Awesome show. It only left me with one gripe. That was Cabana/Williams being a full on comedy match instead of it being a technical British World of Sport-esque type match that I was hoping for.
This show has one of the biggest sleepers of 2007 on here too. Claudio vs Rocky. I went into it expecting a great match and that's what I got. More people need to praise Rocky Romero. He's fantastic.
I don't follow TNA anymore , is Chris Sabin still injured? If so , any idea when he'll be back . What's Shelly up to these days?
I'd kill for the Guns to come back to PWG , I've never had as many dream matches. MCMG vs Steen/Tozawa or Superdragon, MCMG vs The Wolves , MCMG vs Future Shock , MCMG vs RockNes monsters , MCMG vs Generico/Ricochet etc
MCMG vs RockNES Monsters? Ok. Sabin needs to return, tell TNA to go fuck themselves, go to California and MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
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