Their current direction is catching everyone's attention by holding their own with the best teams in ROH, isn't it?
You don't have to win to become more credible. The fact that Cole and O'Reilly are even in the same ring as these teams makes them more credible.
I definitely wouldn't have beaten the Kings on back-to-back nights in a new market and, potentially, in front of new iPPV viewers, anyway.
Of course you need to win to gain credibility. Yoshi Tatsu is a great talent but nobody takes him seriously or thinks he's credible. Guess why? I'm not saying they should be beating all the big teams but it hurts them to be beaten by every single one of them in quick succession.
IMO they really should have beat KOW. They could have easily played off KOW being frustrated from losing the belts and have Cole/O'Reilly shock them with a quick rollup. You can easily keep KOW strong by having them beat them down after to set up a fued for the two.
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Im all for them getting a big win but they most certainly should not have beat KOW who was about to go on a big tour for NOAH two weeks after.
and what difference does them taking part in the Tag League make? It's not like they're booked strong in NOAH and are contenders to win the League.
Wouldn't hurt as much for Cole & O'Reilly losing but looking good in high-profile tag matches if they didn't trade wins with the Bravado Brothers and lose just about every singles match they've ever had in ROH. Problem is once they lose to WGTT they kind of have to start winning or start to lose momentum since they've lost to pretty much every team except for the American Wolves.
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Of course you need to win to gain credibility. Yoshi Tatsu is a great talent but nobody takes him seriously or thinks he's credible. Guess why?
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I'm not saying they should be beating all the big teams but it hurts them to be beaten by every single one of them in quick succession.
I disagree. They're two young guys who are only just finding their feet as a tag team, there's no rush. It'd make no sense to put your fifth best tag team (discounting HOT) over a top team.
At the end of the day, wins and losses really don't matter as much as the manner of the victory or defeat. Look at Tyler Black. He had hard-fought losses, to a string of big names, before getting his breakout win. Honour in defeat is what got him over.
If Yoshi Tatsu suddenly held his own with John Cena, Triple H and the Undertaker, would you say he was being made to look bad?
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Are you trying to say that J-Pop is not awesome? Shame on you.
I'm not necessarily saying that they should be beating one of the top teams but at least they need to look dominant in the undercard rather than trading wins with guys like the Bravados as KingCrash said.
Very excited about WGTT/Cole & O'Reilly. Should be interesting to see how the youngsters do against a less 'Indy' team like Haas & Benjamin.
Also, I don't think the, uh, 'Yoshi Tatsu' argument is a valid one. Different companies, different audiences. The truth is, in ROH guys who lose all the time and still put on great matches can (and do) get over, because they're still doing the most important thing.
I've never bought into caring about wins and losses unless a guy is getting squashed, or a title is on the line. A win against someone with a name is always good to reassure that the company cares about a wrestler as much as a fan, but in reality a guy could lose 20/21 matches, and still be over. Look at O'Reily and Cole at Honor Takes Center stage. O'Reily came off looking like a bad ass that weekend, even though they lost both their matches.
and what difference does them taking part in the Tag League make? It's not like they're booked strong in NOAH and are contenders to win the League.
Didn't they beat the tag champs in there very 1st match of of the tag league? they will do decent. NOAH doesn't want its roster losing to no names right before a tour.
I've never bought into caring about wins and losses unless a guy is getting squashed, or a title is on the line. A win against someone with a name is always good to reassure that the company cares about a wrestler as much as a fan, but in reality a guy could lose 20/21 matches, and still be over. Look at O'Reily and Cole at Honor Takes Center stage. O'Reily came off looking like a bad ass that weekend, even though they lost both their matches.
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