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Old 06-22-2013, 01:16 PM   #10001 (permalink)
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SMV is filming a new best on the indies today with Sami Callihan. Last time they did one with somebody before they left for the E (Hero) it turned into a must have dvd.
Holy Shit!!!

That is must see! I absolutely loved the first part when I watched it, and this could be even better.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:08 PM   #10002 (permalink)
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No. Nick Jackson was shit. AR Fox was shit. That match was shit. The crowd was shit. Evolve is shit.

Nickie Boy on the other event tagging against the imports, however, was sweet.
You mean I liked an AR Fox match and you didn't? Holy bejesus. (almost made a PWG tag slander comment; so close...)

I like EVOLVE. Dead crowds mean dick to me if the wrestling entertains me. Which is has from the recent triple shot. Gargano vs Del Sol was match of the weekend for me.

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1) I don't mind crowds - I just had to vent on more things, as it's fun.

2) I have always found EVOLVE to be weirdly pointless. I was not a fan of their old system, and now that they've scrapped it just feels like they lost everything that actually could make them unique. I hardly watch EVOLVE so correct me if I'm wrong, but are the cards not eerily similar to DG:USA, anyway? They could have been the cross-promotion between Mainstream Indy and DG:USA. Even then, though, I'll just take my PWG.

3) That it was

4) I almost missed that White text. Not quite sure how that match is worse than the EVOLVE match but I'll take it for what it is.
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PWG match just annoyed the tar out of me. Can't put my finger on it, but I just didn't think it was good. (real detailed, huh?) Whereas the Nick Jackson vs Fox match was a solid affair. Nick did the heavy lifting, Fox had most of his annoying tendencies not pop up, and well, it just worked for my entertainment. I wasn't sure walking in what to expect despite my love for the Bucks. To my pleasant surprise, it was fine minus the part when AR Fox won. (I didn't like how Nick hit all his tops moves, yet Fox hit one of his and won. Then again, that's traditional top babyface booking. It's like that with Hogan, Austin, Cena, so it only seems to fit the progression with Gabe doing it for Fox as he is the flag bearer by holding the Championship. Which is a good segway into...)

I hate the cross-promotion with DG:USA. It doesn't even feel like two separate companies and honestly, they really aren't. Only EVOLVE seems to have LESS Dragon Gate guys per show. That's. About. It. Why have two companies when every one from each compete on both, have programs and championships that carry onto both, and everything else? It makes no sense. If they were two very distinct companies, fine, I wouldn't care. However, they are not. It's beyond pointless. I'll watch each whenever I can - this is merely a personal assessment that I can't quite wrap my head around.

Ah yes, PWG. I'll always prefer them too. However this year they've slipped in terms of overall quality. Only been one-two match shows for me instead of tremendous all around events. I don't know how it happened with Mystery Vortex being in December and I loved everything that night. Here comes 2013 and I'm left only caring about like seven matches out of twenty four. Still a better curve than AAW is having. Yeah.
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I can't remember finishing it, nor getting too far into the match. I closed it around where they're messing about in the front row after I couldn't take the "backyard-level" offence that was happening.

That's exactly what I meant, too, but without any wording to say so. So, thanks for mentioning it. By cross-promotion I meant by having their EVOLVE athletes (because EVOLVE is promoting a real sport, brah) mix in with DG:USA guys - not to the extent where they're not only sister companies but leeching, siamese twins. I suppose PWG has the added advantage over the RoH/Gabe dispute, but I do feel Gabe is missing a good window by the manner in which he runs his shows. Perhaps it's just me, but I wouldn't guess it is judging by their attendance, but the names they bill aren't big enough, nor exciting enough, to pack into multiple-shots across two promotions.

I'll always have a special place in my heart for DG:USA (despite not having had a chance to get any of their shows in a long, long while) but EVOLVE? A very biased disliking that's probably not solidified by much fact but rather by personal preference.
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ROH Best in the World 2013

B.J. Whitmer Vs Mike Bennett: **

The American Wolves Vs Adrenaline Rush: **1/2

Adam Cole Vs Roderick Strong: ***1/4

Michael Elgin Vs Tommaso Ciampa: ***1/2

Jimmy Jacobs Vs Matt Taven Vs Jay Lethal ROH World Television Championship: *1/2

reDRagon Vs C and C Wrestle Factory Vs S.C.U.M. ROH Tag Team Championship: DUD

Matt Hardy Vs Kevin Steen: ***

Jay Briscoe (c) Vs Mark Briscoe: **


- Opener was okay for the time it got but definitely not PPV quality. I like the finish and the angle they are going with Bennett, Maria and Brutal Bob. As long as Bob stays away from the ring then it should be interesting.

- Tag match was a decent match and did its job on the placement of the card. But it did have its usual overkill moments with the wolves. Nice pacing to it throughout. The finish was bad and I did not like it at all. Felt super cheap.

- Cole vs Strong was the second best match of the night. It wasn't as good as it could have been on paper. Both men have good chemistry and this had some good storytelling and psychology throughout. The finish was really well done and I really like how they are handling this slow burn heel turn for Cole.

- Elgin vs Ciampa was the match of the night. These two guys beat the living hell out of each other. Stiff match. I liked the story with Ciampa trying to use his big moves early to put Elgin away. Elgin working the back of Ciampa throughout. The commentary played a real great role in this talking up Ciampa's knee injury which was strange at first with Elgin working on the back instead but played a pivotal role once Ciampa hit the project ciampa which effected the previously injured leg which Ciampa sold well on. This would have been even better than it was have it not for the typical ROH overkill finish. Still very good.

- The triple threat TV title match was going along okay, it wasn't that good and felt very middle of the road TV quality until the finish which was an absolute clusterfuck. Completely overbooked and not in a good way either. Lethal superkicking the hoopla hottie when Jacobs was going to take her out anyway? Just completely nonsensical. Just another overbooked finish to have Taven keep a hold of the title. Don't understand why this had to be done, this was garbage.

- Speaking of garbage....jesus christ was this bad. The 3 way tag match actually started out logically somewhat with the two ROH teams taking out SCUM before reDragon took advantage of C and C. But this felt extremely rushed and was only given around 6 or 7 minutes for a 3 way tag team title match in ROH. And the finish was fucking awful. One of the worst I've seen in a long while. It has to be seen to be believed. Most intelligence insulting bullshit I've seen perhaps this year thus far. Gets a DUD from me.

- Steen vs Hardy was surprisingly very enjoyable. The no DQ stipulation helped it for sure. Good storytelling and psychology throughout with Hardy working on the back and neck of Steen. The repeated side effects this time had a purpose to them which effected the finish of the match. The overbooking in this match actually made sense this time with SCUM stacking the deck against Steen with Steen fighting through till Compton nails him with the chair on the back which Hardy had worked on. They booked it in a way where Hardy getting the win was definitely very acceptable to give him momentum for his title shot and in a way which didn't hurt Steen too much. I would have liked Steen to have given a bit more during the match, but thats about it as far as detractions go. Good match.

- The world title match....you know what? I didn't like it and it went pretty much how I expected. Jay is a great worker and can get the best out of people but with Mark it just didn't work. It was very dull throughout and dragged a lot. Mark's gimmick held this match down and made it such a pain to watch. It's supposed to be a world title main event match and Mark is doing antics which made the match feel so unimportant and made it feel like a mid card match. His gimmick works in the context of the off kilter Briscoe Brothers tag team but as a singles competitor in the main event of a PPV felt ridiculously silly and out of place. The selling point of this match of "nobody fights like family" also didn't nearly enough live up to the hype due to the match not really being aggressive and stiff enough. It never really felt like a big fight between brothers for the title except for a few moments. Nigel even put it best: "I forgot this was even a world title match". Thats how I felt. Not a good main event.


Aside from 3 matches, this PPV was bad. Definitely the worst of the year for ROH.
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I think DGUSA will shut down in a year or two, now that Dragon Gate has the UStream plans.
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I don't know if I'd agree on that. It could lead to them severing ties with Gabe and Gabe needing to re-brand, but I think they have enough solid non-DGJ talent to continue if DGJ was to say that Gabe couldn't use their guys anymore.
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I knew Mark's stupid gimmick would fuck up the main event, and I still think that show should've been the TV taping and today's taping should've been the iPPV. Briscoe vs. Hardy & Steel Cage Warfare >>>

Kinda ridiculous they've ran Cole vs. Strong three times in one month now. Sounds like some WWE booking.
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I don't know if I'd agree on that. It could lead to them severing ties with Gabe and Gabe needing to re-brand, but I think they have enough solid non-DGJ talent to continue if DGJ was to say that Gabe couldn't use their guys anymore.
EVOLVE just feels like a placeholder until DGUSA shows so I don't know if Gabe could or would want to continue it if DGJ pulled out or just wanted to do one supershow a year and then let talent decide if they wanted to come over for other promotions. Almost no one goes to non-WM EVOLVE shows, there's never any buzz about them and there's not EVOVLE-only talent you can't see anywhere else.


And boy does the second half of Best In The World look terrible from that review.
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