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Old 12-30-2012, 03:15 PM   #611 (permalink)
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:58 PM   #612 (permalink)
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I think I may have a problem. I watched the 4/18/97 match and I wasn't a MASSIVE fan. I don't know if I was missing some context besides Casas and Santo. I thought it was great but not the classic I was expecting from it. Maybe I came in with too high of expectations.

On the other hand Negro Casas vs. Hijo Del Santo 9/19/97 was absolutely AMAZING. Lived up to the hype I heard about it completely. Javier Cruz vs. Ciclon Ramirez is a great match(wouldn't put it on the same plateau as Casas/Santo) so I might post reviews of those at some point. Got the 10/3/97 mini trios to watch at some point which I am pumped for as well as Dandy/Casas/Santo which wasn't making a whole lot of sense when I first attempted to watch it but I didn't get too far in to it.
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Rules of Casas/Dandy/Santo:

Three men start in the ring.
One is pinned/submits/blah blah, he is pushed aside.
The other two wrestle with the pinned man out of the ring.
Another is pinned.
Whoever didn't get pinned can leave the match and his hair/mask is safe.
The two who were pinned have a match and put their hair/mask on the line.
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Jerry Estrada vs La Fiera, Chain Match, Monterrey (1991)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVvPiNvOEyM

Pure Lucha brawl, so anyone familiar with that knows what to expect. Amazing punches, nutty bumps, a really reckless environment and some great selling. There's something to really love about Monterrey brawls, the setting is just eerily beautiful with the ring torn to bits and looking contaminated with all forms of human DNA and the way they work the match gives of this really intimate atmosphere of two hobos battling for the first bit of food they see. So many brilliant punches and punch drunk selling from both men with Estrada bumping all over the places and having his face torn to shreds by Fiera's punches and chain attacks. They really incorporate the chain brilliantly into the match with numerous bumps and transitions coming into play because of the restriction the chain imposes on them, and Fiera in particular uses the chain to choke Estrada around the ring and in a brilliant spot where he appears to render Estrada impotent by digging the chain into his crotch whilst also pulling back to torque the spine. Estrada hits an absolutely spectacular tope into the seats when Fiera makes the mistake of pulling him closer into the ropes and I adored him headbutting the referee on the outside when he attempted to interfere with his beating of Fiera. There's also an incredible over the top rope suplex spot when Fiera staggers backwards into the ropes and both men just tumble to the floor, looked hideous and unco-operative and basically summed up the entire match.

Its not beautiful or graceful, but its got an innate charm from the atmosphere, to the punch drunk selling and theatrical bumps. The grainy raw footage just completes the seediness and almost filthy nature that is this match. Finish is fucking atrocious however. I knew going in it was the lowpoint of the match, but even I didn't think they'd do such a blatantly stupid finish.


Sangre Chicana vs El Perro Aguayo, Hair vs Hair (2/28/86)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QupMDu8c8Ts

Best wrestling discovery I have ever made? This would do well to leave my top 3 brawls of all time truth be told and on first watch it feels like a surefire MOTDC. The chemistry these two men have is frightfully good. The punches, the bumping, the expressive selling, the build and pacing through to the final fall, their ability to make themselves come off as superstars and create this magnetic and pulsating atmosphere that immerces itself into every nearfall in the 3rd fall (of which there are at least 20) is second to none. Chicana is such an underrated brawler, technico and arguably as a worker in general. His offence is magnificent, his expressive selling as compelling and gripping as anyone that has come out of America and he just controls a crowd throughout the match. Perro to his credit isn't far behind and really manages to come off as the ultimate foil to the beloved Chicana. His offence, bumping and timing is extraordinary and he contributes just as much to the match and sequences as Chicana does. All the heat and control segments are enthralling and brilliant with both men timing everything to perfection and bumping stupendously to draw the crowd into everything. Chicana's comeback and its entire build and payoff in the 2nd caida is some of the most beautiful work I've seen in Lucha, and it all stems from the emphatic beating he takes in the opening caida and throughout the second. I can't describe just how violent, authentic and passionate the sequences between these two feel. It truly has that vibrant feel that you only get from two of the very best in this sort of setting.

The final fall may be a top 3 I've seen from Lucha. There's an absurd amount of nearfalls but they build the monumental nearfalls (any submission as well as a couple of quick desperate roll ups) as pivotal and even the minor nearfalls are paced and sold well enough that you can excuse them as just emphasising the desire to win. Neither man cares about following up on offence, the minute their opponent collapses to the ground they'll drop to pin him and save their hair. The dives in the final fall again add to the escalating drama and put over the need to win the match, Chicana's however is the best of the bunch and looks spine shattering as Perro crashes into a row of seats upon impact. The crowd as well add so much to the match, but especially that deciding caida. Every punch, every kick, every nearfall gets a reaction and you can feel the terror in their voices whenever Chicana looks to be on the brink of defeat and the bedlam when he manages to force his way back into the match. Honestly, if you're not a Lucha enthusiast the final fall could prove to much for you, but when you come to understand the psychology in Lucha hair matches and especially the importance of that final fall, this was just awe inspiring.
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Every time I see terceda caida, I always get so pissed when I see them show highlights of these classic matches I cant find online.

How do they get those tapes?
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:20 AM   #617 (permalink)
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Chicana/Perro isn't terribly new. It was put on Alfredo's site in 2011 around the same time of the 88 Santo/Espanto. Hell, it might have been on the same disc. Hell, it might have been on the same disc as the Estrada/Fiera chain match. Probably not b/c that is fromt he 90s, but they were released the same time IIRC. Surprised you never read about it at WKO.
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Chicana/Perro isn't terribly new. It was put on Alfredo's site in 2011 around the same time of the 88 Santo/Espanto. Hell, it might have been on the same disc. Hell, it might have been on the same disc as the Estrada/Fiera chain match. Probably not b/c that is fromt he 90s, but they were released the same time IIRC. Surprised you never read about it at WKO.
Honestly I only skim over a couple of threads at WKO, OJ's European thread is a godsend for essential WOS matches.

Really glad I had a look at the thread where the match was being discussed though. Was in awe at the chemistry they had throughout. Got the Chicana/Perro Cage match from Monterrey ready to watch later today as well.
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While I didn't think it was as good as some others in the thread, I legitimately enjoyed it. Which has been a hard thing for me to say from a lot of lucha of the last few years. Only major complaint here was the awful slow ref. How does he have a job? Rest was quality. Good stuff with some nutty bumps tossed in. Really good match and I'm glad I gave it a watch. Finish ruled when Polvora killed Titan with the RUBIX CUBE/Joker Driver. Titan's hand stand move was SLICK. Totally marked for it. Wanted him to win only b/c he busted it out haha.
Thoughts on that match from this year. Figured it was about as decent enough of a way to introduce myself to the thread. That or I could have said something like Shocker is ass. Yeah, both work. (I miss Louie Spicolli too)
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Spoiler for FantasticaMania results (thus far):

NJPW CMLL (FRI) 01/18/2013 Korakuen Hall
1) Tama Tonga & Titán b Euforia & Shigeo Okumura
Tonga beat Euforia with the Headshrinker in 8:17. Okumura and Euforia argued in the post-match interview.
2) Ishii, Rey Escorpión, Yujiro b Bushi, Diamante, Ryusuke Taguchi
Escorpion beat Diamante with his double underhook piledriver in 8:29. Diamante had a new green and red version of his current outfit. Prior to the show, it was announced Bushi was no longer on loan from AJPW and had signed full time with NJPW.
3) Rush b YOSHI-HASHI
Rush won in 11:08 with his double underhook piledriver, called the Rush Driver here.
4) La Máscara, Máscara Dorada, Máximo b Taichi, Taka Michinoku, Volador Jr.
Volador (in his Avatar outfit) beat Mascara with the top rope moonsault side slam in 9:38. Taichi and TAKA attacked Maximo after the match.
5) Gedo, Jado, Mephisto b Atlantis, Jushin Liger, Tiger Mask
Atlantis replaced Mistico, who appeared at the start of the show to welcome the fans. Mephisto beat Atlantis with a middle rope Devil’s Wings in 11:21.
6) Prince Devitt b Dragón Rojo Jr.
Neither man’s titles were on the line. Devitt won with a Bloody Sunday in 10:21.
7) Hiroshi Tanahashi & La Sombra b Misterioso Jr. & Shinsuke Nakamura
Annual Black Cat memorial match. Sombra beat Misterioso with the Brillante Bomb and a senton in 13:41.


NJPW CMLL (SAT) 01/19/2013 Korakuen Hall
1) Máximo & Tama Tonga b Taichi & Taka Michinoku
10:07. Color commentator Milano Collection AT took a kiss from Maximo. Maximo ducked a Taichi kick and cradled him for the win.
2) Gedo, Jado, Misterioso Jr. b Jushin Liger, Tiger Mask, Titán
9:42. Misterioso beat Titan with “La Misteriosa” (middle rope Rosa Driver)
3) Mephisto & Shigeo Okumura b Diamante & Máscara Dorada
9:38. Mephisto beat Mascara Dorada with a middle rope Devil’s Wings.
4) Dragón Rojo Jr., Ishii, YOSHI-HASHI b Bushi, Prince Devitt, Ryusuke Taguchi
9:29. Dragon Rojo beat Bushi with the Dragon Bomb.
5) Atlantis b Euforia
Atlantis won with the Atlantida in 7:30. He was recognized for 30 years of wrestling prior to the match.
6) Okada, Rey Escorpión, Volador Jr. b Hiroshi Tanahashi, La Máscara, Rush
10:44. Okada pulled out a tope con giro. Rush tried to give Escorpion the Rush Driver, but Escorpion escaped and used his own barely legal piledriver (now named “Aguijon Mortal”/Deadly Sting) for the upset win.
7) Shinsuke Nakamura b La Sombra [IWGP IC]
13:29. Seconds were Mistico & Ishii. Nakamura came in as champion and kept the title (fifth defense) with a Bomb-Ba-Ye. Nakamura refused Sombra’s handshake after the match.


It almost seems a pity that they can't extend the time limits because this is one of my favourite shows of the year (or even perhaps swap around a few wrestlers to get slightly better matches). However that Devitt/Rojo match should be fun and, as for Sunday, Mascara/Volador should be great and Nakamura/Sombra is

Also, this card needs more Maximo/Danshoku Dino!
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