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Lucha just not the same anymore. AAA and CMLL been having a decent to bad year and it's November. My lucha match of the year is La Parka vs. LA PARK based on the importance and heat. It reminded me of old big lucha matches. Panther vs. Villano V from two years ago is an example of old school lucha with importance and just amazing heat. That is lucha at it best. Like the Taker vs. HBK Mania matches, technically those matches were not the best matches of the year workrate wise but the importance,emotional connection with the crowd mixed with pretty damn good wrestling push it over the top to make it classic. That is LUCHA LIBRE at best.

Past 5 years best lucha matches from the big two.
Ultimo Guerrero vs. Mistico February 2005 mano a mano match.
La Parka vs. Mesias when he had the mask,mask vs. mask
Mesias vs. Cibernetico Rey De Reyes(yeah, the build up is what made this special,everything went right) Personal choice
Blue Panther vs. Villano V
La Park vs. La Parka Triplemania
Wagner vs. Mesias Triplemania (BEST LUCHA MATCH IN THE PAST 5 YEARS)
Mistico vs. Black Warrior Mask vs. Mask
Mistico vs. Perro Jr, forgot the date
Santo,Mistico,Casas vs. Ultimo Guerrero,Black Warrior and Atlantis

There are more matches but these one's stand out the most because of their importance.

Mesias and Mistico is definitely my favorite lucha wrestlers in the past 5 years. Mesias more so because he can play babyface and heel. Technically and workrate wise, Rey Bucanero is the best wrestler in lucha
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Mesias and Mistico is definitely my favorite lucha wrestlers in the past 5 years. Mesias more so because he can play babyface and heel. Technically and workrate wise, Rey Bucanero is the best wrestler in lucha
I don't know how much IWRG you watch, but right now I'd say Black Terry is easily the best wrestler in Mexico. Actually fuck that, Terry's the best in the world right now. Some of the random trios matches with guys like Terry, Navarro, Solar, etc. from dingy little arenas across Mexico that you find on youtube are so far ahead of anything from AAA and CMLL that it isn't even funny.
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The only criticisms that I've read thrown at IWRG is that it might be "too technical" and I don't know if I agree. Some of the best matches from them have incredible heat and brawling in it.

I have to repeat myself once more, lucha brawls are the best in my opinion. I think they keep to the old school method of keeping them brutal and short. When I mean brutal, I don't mean CZW or Big Japan type stuff but what would look like a barroom brawl. I think a lot of promotions these days get the brawls wrong as they [ROH and others as a big example] have overly long brawls and it takes away the realism. I've never heard of a brawl being 20+ minutes long and being any good. Memphis also got it right.
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IWRG matches lack importance. The matches are great but just like with the greatest Ring of Honor and indies matches I don't feel emotionally connected. Lucha Libre is all about emotions. Negro Navarro and Dr.Cerebro is just as good if not better than Black Terry. All three guys are great but Bucanero is still the best in the game from a technical standpoint.

Black Terry Jr is doing a good job putting IWRG stuff out there. He is more ahead of time than AAA and CMLL with the world wide web. Though AAA has been doing a good job recently.
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bumping this with some Santo matches;

El Hijo del Santo/Solomon Grondy/Rayo de Jalisco Jr v Perro Aguayo/Mascara Ano 2000/Cien Caras (EMLL 9/9/90)
--This was just overly *too much* fun in the best way possible. Went for like twenty minutes I think and had me hooked the entire time with not a single second boring, not one second. It kind of opened my eyes to a couple thing too, like Perro being a damn entertaining guy to watch. Right when the bell was rung he had already gone straight for Santo and Santo was paying him back the whole match almost ignoring his partners and just singling him out to full-force rip him apart. I always thought Perro was a Bruiser Brody-type who was awkward with selling and barely moved, but he was pretty nimble and bumped well. Going to have to watch some of his simgles stuff. Another guy I thought was impressive was Grondy, he's fat, like, fatter than Mark Henry fat, but he was doing all he could to squash the rudo team and make the crowd cheer. He even did this neat little dropkick to send Ano 2000 to the outside and then faked a jump over the ropes. It had bezerk crazy stuff like that consistantly, hell the second fall ended in a total referee-ignoring all-over-the-place brawl with trumpet music in the damn background. Cien Caras had his mask taken off by Jalisco too which caused him to have his face covered by a black clothe and scamper out of the arena. This is the sort of "why I watch Lucha Libre" match.

El Hijo del Santo/Eddy Guerrero/El Satanico v El Brazo/Brazo de Oro/Brazo de Plata (EMLL 16/9/90)
--El Brazo was awesome in this here. If he wasn't jumping on Santo with his fat glutes he was doing dive presses to try to kill El Satanico. Everyone else was great, too, but he was on fire. Loved it when all three Brazos grabbed Santo in a mocking manner to pose for the video camera and then tried to take his mask off. Santo's like Liger, man he'll kick the crap out of you for trying to his mask off, then he'll dive out onto you because he fucking can. Eddy was already good in 1990 and he was doing a really good job at playing the young guy trying to make a name and stay competitive with everyone else. Felt like every wrestler had some role to play for the match and it couldn't have been much better.

El Hijo del Santo v Brazo de Oro (UWA 13/1/91)
--Yay this holds up. The first and second falls aren't anything "classic" or anything but watching Santo beat Oro bloody with the ring post after losing the first fall is an awesome way to spent a few minutes. In the first fall Oro was great at making Santo look vulnerable and almost pathetic, and in the second it was pretty much swapped around with Santito bursting into a different gear and kncoking Oro senseless. Third fall is probably what you'd expect from mask vs. hair match, switching it to "classic" levels of awesome, full with all the near falls, planchas and dives you could hope for in a match like this. Oro's no 180-pounder like Santo, either, when he dives he takes his whole gut with him and really lays into you. No fancy mat work in this one, just two pro wrestlers beating each other bad and making you forgot they're only 5'7" apiece. One of the best matches of 1991 imo.

Negro Casas v El Hijo del Santo (UWA 3/1/91)
--"Perfectly in sync" is an understatement for how good these two are together, they make everything they do look so effortless without any screw-ups or botches, they're bordering on Flair/Steamboat levels. Some the things Santo would do looks impossible for a human being to pull off, and doing it with such flow and connectivity with his other moves, it blows your freaking mind. Pretty different match from some of their others, this was almost all submission-based work with near-fall stuff near the end. No Negro being a cheat and trying to mock Santo, no Santo trying to rip out Negro's hair. They just wanted to be the better man and wrestler and beat the other cleanly. Negro getting the clean win was unexpected for me, too.
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Santo is still awesome when he wants to be but his EGO is just off the hook and wasted good years arguing with CMLL and AAA. I think Santo and Latin Lover are the two most disappointing wrestlers in the past 10 years. Both guys have gimmicks that can draw well and both guys are extremely talented but they make every excuse to stay out the ring. It's one thing if you didn't want to wrestle again but these guys like to bash lucha libre in the process.
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Santo is still awesome when he wants to be but his EGO is just off the hook and wasted good years arguing with CMLL and AAA. I think Santo and Latin Lover are the two most disappointing wrestlers in the past 10 years. Both guys have gimmicks that can draw well and both guys are extremely talented but they make every excuse to stay out the ring. It's one thing if you didn't want to wrestle again but these guys like to bash lucha libre in the process.
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