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Old 08-06-2011, 06:59 PM   #261 (permalink)
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I kinda hope that someday there will be a new 90s DVDVR Lucha set as I think, as I watch more lucha, it's really kind of outdated and so much more matches have surfaced that are far superior than most of the matches on that set. Early 90s EMLL/CMLL is insanely good and while there were obviously some fantastic AAA matches, I think matches like Panther/Atlantis and Casas/Dandy along with many others are light years ahead in quality.
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Quite honestly I just don't think that lucha 90s list/set is that good. It's good if you want to get into the style but with stuff like Dandy/Azteca, Santo/Felino, Cicloncito/Daminacito, Panther/Mariachi, Panther/Astro, panther/Atlantis or Negro/Dandy being missing while Panther/Love machine is on there and the When Worlds Collide tag is in second place, I'm left scratching my head.
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:03 PM   #263 (permalink)
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It was pretty good. There was a few matches i didn't really care for but still worth a watch.
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Old 08-07-2011, 12:06 AM   #264 (permalink)
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When Worlds Collide is legit still, it flows real well and has electricity. Great athleticism is displayed, don't see why some of y'all hate other than it being famous. I agree with Love Machine and Blue Panther though, I have no idea why this match is pimped. I actually saw that one for the first time yesterday morning.

I think I saw their list not too long ago, and I don't remember too many of the matches being bad. I thought the Mysterio vs Juvi matches were the only ones that were really bad (granted, I have not seen all the matches on that list from what I remember).
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The WWC being famous has nothing to do with me not liking it, and I do like it.....a little. I just think it being the second best match from Mexico in the entire ten year span of the 90s is really confusing.
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Quite honestly I just don't think that lucha 90s list/set is that good. It's good if you want to get into the style but with stuff like Dandy/Azteca, Santo/Felino, Cicloncito/Daminacito, Panther/Mariachi, Panther/Astro, panther/Atlantis or Negro/Dandy being missing while Panther/Love machine is on there and the When Worlds Collide tag is in second place, I'm left scratching my head.
A lot of it had to do with the availability of footage. That poll was taken over a decade ago and a lot has been found and people's opinions have changed. It would look drastically different today then what it would have in 2001. Also for instance, the New Japan poll would look different as they would probably focus more on the heavyweights this time around as opposed to the juniors matches but those were in style at the time.

Goodhelmet said that they are going to redo the 90s poll after they're finished with the 80s poll which will probably be in 20 years. LOL.
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Yeah, the 90s set is good for getting into the style and some of the workers there but I have heard there is a lot more better stuff out there.

Is there a lot of 80s NJ heavyweight action available?
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Quick question, in the last 10/15 years has there been european workers working for AAA or CMLL?
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Los Infernales vs Tony Salazar, La Fiera & Rayo Jr, 1987

This was bloody awesome. Los Infernales had insane heat throughout the match and were brilliant southern heels, backing away from the technicos instead of duking it out, cheapshotting the technico's when their backs were turned. First fall and a half is bacially an extended squash with La Fiera getting his leg torn to shreds by Satanico and the rest of the Infernales and he sells it terrificly. Most of this is 2 on 1 to the heels with the technico's being unable to get back in the ring to help their fallen comrades and this crowd is fucking PISSED.

All builds tremendously to Rayo Jr manning up and throwing some lovely haymakers to the Infernales on the outside and Satanico ends up taking a nutsy turnbuckle shot. They then start to fight back and after La Fiera knocks Masakre out with a brilliant spin kicks, Satanico and MS-1 take turns trying to out comedy bump the other after respective throws into the corner. MS-1 manages to win this game though with a nutso bump that has to be seen to be believed. The Infernales are terrific in comedy bumping throughout and it feels like Arn Anderson x3.

The Infernales winning in two straight falls made them look legit badasses and the ending being a showdown between both captains was nicely done. Some terrific brawling and bumping mixed with La Fiera selling his ass off makes for a highly enjoyable match.

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SANTO VS ESPANTO JR, MASK RIPPING, BLOOD DESERVING TO TAKE PLACE IN TIJUANA

El Hijo Del Santo vs Espanto Jr, Mask vs Mask, Monterrey 31/08/1986

Jerry Lawler approves of this match. This has a classic 3 caida arc with plenty of blood and mask ripping and a molten crowd. It really is a fitting Monterrey bloodtbath.

Opening Caida and a half sees Espanto Jr kick Santo's ass unmercifully. Santo eats the punishment up terrificly and I dug the way he arched his back in pain everytime Espanto flung him to the mat with such force. Also really enjoyed Espanto following Santo out of the ring to pick him up and toss him back into the ring to continue the punishment, never letting up for a second. He finally puts Santo out of his misery and locks in a killer submission which Santo has no answer for and Espanto is now up 1 Caida. This may shock a Lucha noob but Lucha title matches with 3 caidas have always followed an arc whereby the opening two caidas are usually borderline squashes in how one sided they are. This is done to show the audience both competitors can seemingly better the other with consumate ease and allow the deciding caida to have unrivalled drama with tons of believable nearfalls and submissions. In this case, Santo's ass kicking all builds to the second caida and how he can regain the momentum Espanto has created for himself, a perfect continuation in the arc.

Santo's selling in between the primera and segunda caida (yes folks if you didn't already know this is where my username comes from) is magnificent. He looks a broken man with no idea in how to defy the odds and keep his mask and little kids patting him on the back is a hell of a visual, that's crowd support! Santo manages to use his speed and anger to reclaim the advantage, Espanto bumps like a madman before eating a vintage Santo tope which freaking rocked. Santo then brings Espanto back into the ring and finishes him off with a back senton to tie the match.

The final caida is magnifico. Santo has already had his mask ripped and been bloodied from a couple of chairshots from Espanto as well as Espanto biting and working over the cut in a manner befitting Bill Dundee. Santo gets PISSED from this and rips open Espanto's mask for revenge and drags him around the ring to inflict pain and its a sensational image. Espanto hits a freaking awesome dive to the floor before Santo trumps him with perhaps the most impactful and violent crossbody to the floor I've ever witnessed. Seriously it looked like they were gonna fall through the floor it was that painful. In between this there are some slick pinning attempts and combinations which keep the crowd in suspense before Espanto makes a crucial error and Santo locks in the camel clutch for submission for the victory.

Hell of a match here, the crowd were amazing for it and Santo and Espanto worked the match beautifully in progressing the arc from Espanto looking untouchable, to Santo making his long awaited comeback to both men busting out everything in their locker to keep the mask. Not a better way to drop your mask than in a setting and match like this.

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Quite honestly I just don't think that lucha 90s list/set is that good. It's good if you want to get into the style but with stuff like Dandy/Azteca, Santo/Felino, Cicloncito/Daminacito, Panther/Mariachi, Panther/Astro, panther/Atlantis or Negro/Dandy being missing while Panther/Love machine is on there and the When Worlds Collide tag is in second place, I'm left scratching my head.
I second that. The luchawiki list of Noteworthy Matches is a good reference for great lucha 90s matches.
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