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Old 03-21-2011, 11:00 PM   #171 (permalink)
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El Dandy vs. Black Warrior [CMLL 11/2/96]
What a fantastic match that has a little bit of everything in it. It's a perfectly sound technical bout with some great lucha high spots thrown in for good measure. Not having seen a lot of El Dandy, I was really impressed with his technical prowess and Black Warrior could more than keep up. A ton of nearfalls which rack up the drama and bringing the crowd closer to the edge of their seats. Just really neat stuff.

Just read one of Ohtani Jacket's reviews and I gotta check this match out:
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El Dandy vs. Javier Llanes, CMLL Middleweight Championship, 3/11/94

This was the toughest thing I've seen in ages... If people think lucha isn't real wrestling, they need to watch this match. Never before have I see two guys wrestle with such ferocity. It takes practice to make this look believable, and an even greater commitment to go out there and do it as a work, and the close-ups of both guys were more than just selling, they showed effort and bloody-minded determination.

In many ways this was like a sparring session in a gym. At the least there was something basic to it, as there were little or no strikes and neither guy was willing to submit. In this day and age, almost everything that's written or said about wrestling is cynical, but this match, whether it was a con or not, was pure sport. To that end, I was disappointed when the first fall ended off the ropes and thrilled when Llanes took the second by submission, and while they began to tire in the third and it became noticable that Llanes was feeding Dandy his arm, even the carny finish couldn't ruin what was a pure display of submission based wrestling.

One of the joys of lucha is guys submitting instantaneously to crazy looking submission holds, but this was rooted in the style that Diablo Velazco, Gori Guerrero and Enrique Llanes trained these men in. An inaccurate description of it might be 70s style matwork with a worked shoot intensity. I say inaccurate because matwork was around long before the 70s, but as a guy who watches old tapes those are the parameters. I've seen it compared to Dandy's match with Navarro, but I thought this was far more intense.

It's curious then that this match should pop up in 1994 CMLL. This era of CMLL is notable for a number of bare-bone classics, but nothing with matwork to compare to this. Anyway, if you want to watch a match with incredible wristlock work or vein popping submissions, do yourself a favour.
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:48 AM   #172 (permalink)
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That Black Warrior match is good, but you really aught to look to '89-'92 for some really great Dandy. There's a lot of worthwhile Dandy post-'92 (the Llanes match is awesome), but he was at his peak during that four year spell starting in '89.
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Old 03-23-2011, 10:59 PM   #173 (permalink)
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Goodhelmet made an el Dandy compilation.

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Personally, I'm not a huge Lucha fan, as the lack of physicality bothers me. Now, I'm not saying all Lucha lacks it, but the majority of what I've seen does. To be honest, my favorite Lucha matches took place in ECW when Misterio/Psicosis/Juventud invaded. "Extreme Lucha Libre" indeed.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:37 PM   #174 (permalink)
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Been watching Luchamania Battle for Mexico on Netflix instant streaming. It's about the Battle for Mexico between Rey Mysterio Sr and Psicosis... Absolutely awesome blood feud!
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Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Psicosis [AAA 9/22/95]
Upon rewatching this, I'm actually disappointed with this match. When I was just getting into lucha, this was my #1 match but this isn't the best lucha match that I've seen from 1995. I'm going to get some slack for this but I prefer Rey's work that he's done in the WWE over what he was doing in Mexico as I feel that even though he couldn't do the same breathtaking spots, he had to use actual storytelling and psychology to get his work over and in my opinion, he's easily the best worker in the WWE along with Daniel Bryan. Onto the match, maybe it's because I've been watching a lot of early 90s CMLL but this lacks any of the real smooth technique and mastery of the likes of Dandy or Casas and is more of a spotfest but I guess that's the point of the match. Too bad that I don't really like spotfests. Well, I did mark out when Psicosis goes for a spot because he's so out of control and I love that. I consider him one of the best bumpers in the business at the time along with Foley and Sabu. Not an out and out terrible match, in the case of a spotfest, it's a pretty good one and people should seek it out but at this point of my lucha viewing this doesn't do much for me. I do love their ECW 10/7/95 match.
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Not to contradict what you just said, but the people who have reviewed it on Netflix (http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Lu...?trkid=2361637) seem to disagree with you. Is it as bad as they say it is?
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Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Psicosis [AAA 9/22/95]
Upon rewatching this, I'm actually disappointed with this match. When I was just getting into lucha, this was my #1 match but this isn't the best lucha match that I've seen from 1995. I'm going to get some slack for this but I prefer Rey's work that he's done in the WWE over what he was doing in Mexico as I feel that even though he couldn't do the same breathtaking spots, he had to use actual storytelling and psychology to get his work over and in my opinion, he's easily the best worker in the WWE along with Daniel Bryan. Onto the match, maybe it's because I've been watching a lot of early 90s CMLL but this lacks any of the real smooth technique and mastery of the likes of Dandy or Casas and is more of a spotfest but I guess that's the point of the match. Too bad that I don't really like spotfests. Well, I did mark out when Psicosis goes for a spot because he's so out of control and I love that. I consider him one of the best bumpers in the business at the time along with Foley and Sabu. Not an out and out terrible match, in the case of a spotfest, it's a pretty good one and people should seek it out but at this point of my lucha viewing this doesn't do much for me. I do love their ECW 10/7/95 match.
I love their ECW series. I have, to an extent, similar tastes in lucha. However, I like a blend of both mat work and highspots. Too much of one is always bad, and not enough of the other is also, bad.
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I'm watching a bit of the Luchamania video and it is L-A-M-E lame. Although the announcers voice is epic in the vein of 80s instructional videos.
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I'm watching a bit of the Luchamania video and it is L-A-M-E lame. Although the announcers voice is epic in the vein of 80s instructional videos.
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Not to contradict what you just said, but the people who have reviewed it on Netflix (http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Lu...?trkid=2361637) seem to disagree with you. Is it as bad as they say it is?

The production is horrid, but the feud itself is awesome. The commentary is so bad it's funny.
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Is it in the same vein as the StrangleMania videos? Are they full matches?
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