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Old 02-10-2011, 06:22 AM   #131 (permalink)
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I haven't watched Lucha Libre (the real thing, not the MTV.. thing) I really should get back into it I always really enjoyed it. Anyone know a place where I can download full shows in good quality (or torrents) or aren't you allowed to ask for such things here? If so disregard the second half of this post.
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Old 02-25-2011, 04:45 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Hey guys, are there any real good matches that El Mistico has been in?

I'm still not really broken into Lucha Libre, I've seen a few matches here and there (on Telemundo) that I liked but it still seems kinda dry. Any tips on what I should watch to get into it?
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:33 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Atlantis vs. Villano III 3/17/00 is a really starter match. I gave it to this guy who hadn't ever liked lucha libre (and been a wrestling fan for over 15 or something years) and he loved it.

AAA matches from the 90s are great starters too. They might not hold up after a couple of years (or they might, Idk), but their easy to get into straight away. Blue Panther vs. Super Astro 10/9/92, Rey Misterio Jr vs. Psicosis 9/22/95, El Hijo del Santo vs. Psicosis 5/3/95 are all great. Not a AAA match but El Dandy vs. Angel Azteca 6/1/90 is something I;d call a good lucha starter as well.
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Old 02-26-2011, 04:02 PM   #135 (permalink)
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Atlantis vs. Villano III 3/17/00 is a really starter match. I gave it to this guy who hadn't ever liked lucha libre (and been a wrestling fan for over 15 or something years) and he loved it.

AAA matches from the 90s are great starters too. They might not hold up after a couple of years (or they might, Idk), but their easy to get into straight away. Blue Panther vs. Super Astro 10/9/92, Rey Misterio Jr vs. Psicosis 9/22/95, El Hijo del Santo vs. Psicosis 5/3/95 are all great. Not a AAA match but El Dandy vs. Angel Azteca 6/1/90 is something I;d call a good lucha starter as well.
What he said. People also start off with El Hijo del Santo/Octagon vs. Eddie Guerrero/Art Barr from When World's Collide but IMO, it doesn't hold up though.
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Old 02-26-2011, 08:43 PM   #136 (permalink)
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^that wasnt a top 10 AAA match from 1994
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I thought Blue Panther vs Atlantis was a lot better than Blue Panther vs Superastro. The latter I couldn't feel any fire in what they were doing and the sequences looked kinda weak. The former had just enough impact with out sacrificing grace, and I thought it had much better pacing.

Any Mistico matches you guys like?
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Old 02-27-2011, 04:52 PM   #138 (permalink)
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The WWC stips match really isn't that good. The 11/93 match is better, but even that didn't hold up like I hoped it would when I watched it again a couple years ago.

I wouldn't start with AAA, period. There's enough AAA stuff that I still like a lot (some of the trios from the Gringos Locos/Santo-Octagon feud, Panther/Astro, Panther/Mariachi, Mascarita Sagrada/Espectrito, the 3/16/95 trios, the 6/18/95 8-man... that's about all that's coming to mind right now), but for the most part that company doesn't hold up well at all. I tried to re-watch the Rey/Psicosis and Rey/Juventud matches again about a year ago and couldn't get through everything. Don't think Santo/Psicosis is as good as at least 30 CMLL matches from the '89-92 period.

'89-'92 CMLL is a pretty good place to start. 90s AAA is really built on flash for the most part, and it just doesn't hold up IMO (repeating myself but w/e). I guess you can say CMLL is more "traditional lucha". The '89-'92 period is pretty amazing. They had an incredible year in '97 as well, but I haven't went through as much '97 and I have '89 or '90. Feech will likely be able to recommend more '97 CMLL beyond the usual suspects (Santo/Casas, Panther/Atlantis, Santo/Felino, etc), but the CMLL minis were flat out fucking awesome in '97. The Damiancito El Guerrero/Cicloncito Ramirez match from 1/7 is probably my pick for best match ever. The October trios might be the best trios ever.

If anything, watch a Rey/Psicosis match, a Rey/Juventud match, Santo/Psicosis and a couple highly pimped AAA trios matches. Then watch Dandy/Azteca from 6/90, Dandy/Casas from 7/92, Santo/Casas/Dandy from 12/96 and the minis matches I mentioned (would've said Panther/Atlantis from '91 but I'm assuming you already watched that one), which are all from CMLL.

See which style you prefer and go from there.
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What he said. People also start off with El Hijo del Santo/Octagon vs. Eddie Guerrero/Art Barr from When World's Collide but IMO, it doesn't hold up though.
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The WWC stips match really isn't that good. The 11/93 match is better, but even that didn't hold up like I hoped it would when I watched it again a couple years ago.

I wouldn't start with AAA, period. There's enough AAA stuff that I still like a lot (some of the trios from the Gringos Locos/Santo-Octagon feud, Panther/Astro, Panther/Mariachi, Mascarita Sagrada/Espectrito, the 3/16/95 trios, the 6/18/95 8-man... that's about all that's coming to mind right now), but for the most part that company doesn't hold up well at all. I tried to re-watch the Rey/Psicosis and Rey/Juventud matches again about a year ago and couldn't get through everything. Don't think Santo/Psicosis is as good as at least 30 CMLL matches from the '89-92 period.
Yeah I was basically trying to say that AAA stuff is good to get into in the beginning, but it tends to not be as good after a while. I think it's the Mexican equivalent to Dynamite Kid/Tiger Mask. It's great to start off with to get into the new style ("new" being Lucha/Puro), but it your tastes eventually change. Then again you get guys who still love the TM/DKid series after years so you never know. I still think something like Santo/Psicosis is realy good but I thought it was a classic not a year ago and it didn't hold up. A little afraid to watch Rey/Psicosis since it was one of my favourite matches ever and one of the 3 or 4 matches responsible for getting me into lucha libre in the first place.

I wouldn't really recommend that Santo/Octagon vs. Locos match. It's definitely not bad but the fact it's the most recognised Santo match by a lot of people is really sad. That might have not even been his best match that month. You can believe Mr. Observer has a lot to do with that.

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I thought Blue Panther vs Atlantis was a lot better than Blue Panther vs Superastro. The latter I couldn't feel any fire in what they were doing and the sequences looked kinda weak. The former had just enough impact with out sacrificing grace, and I thought it had much better pacing.
Forgot about Panther/Atlantis, I think that's a great starter as well, so is the 97 one. Agreed about the 91 match being better than Panther/Astro but yeah love all of them.

Not even sure I've ever watched a Mistico match, but Averno/Mephsito vs. Negro Casas/Mistico from 2006 gets lovin' from some places.
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Over at the DVDVR, Smarks Choice, Pro Wrestling Only, Segunda Caida, Wrestling KO universe-type forums, a discussion of possibly redoing the 90s polls as a side along with the 80s project because they felt that a lot of opinions about wrestling has changed since 2000. They might leave the WWF and AJPW ones alone but the others would have major changes. With ECW, a ton of handhelds are available now, with New Japan, there's more appreciation for the heavyweights, more American indies footage has come up, shootstyle is more respected in Japan indies then the Michinoku Pro type stuff.

With lucha, they don't think that the majority of the previous Top 20 would even make it especially with the greatness of early 90s CMLL. Alot of their previous opinions came from the Observer's glowing reviews of only the AAA stuff which doesn't hold up anymore while the CMLL stock has risen.

A few months ago, I wanted to start a forum wide discussion about the different views of wrestling that has changed. With lucha, more footage has been uncovered and people have more access to 80s lucha and early 90s CMLL then say what it was like a couple years ago. With this, people can see that Casas and Dandy can be put on the same plane of greatness that Flair and Misawa was on. They could also see that there's more to lucha then just being "flippity floppity" shit.
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